what sort of government uses water cannon on protestors?

Lance

Asheron wrote: »

A Water Cannon is a form of torture! and so is a Taser Gun.

Torture is against our Human Rights! does the government care? No

So is a Police baton. So is pushing people back. So what exactly should the Police do with rioters attacking them with iron bars, bricks etc? If torture in the UK is too great for you then flee to another country and claim asylum..... nobody will stop you leaving here.

PhylPho

ninky wrote: »

this is just such a stereotype. why do you think people are out in such numbers and so angry? the last time this country saw street riots like this it lead to the welfare state.

From your other posts it seems you have in the past made a habit of joining protests and have on occasion been unfortunate to have been charged by riot police as a 15 year old teenage girl having also been kettled on the poll tax protests and i have never been violent on a protest. did i deserve that? was it necessary to charge a slightly built female with police on horses and in riot gear?

That you could post such a stupefyingly daft assertion about the Welfare State "riots" without, it appears, not the slightest knowledge of William Beveridge nor the then Labour Government's outstanding performance (nor any inclination to check your facts by Googling before posting) would suggest that you'd be wise to keep well clear of any protests in future.

Understanding an issue is generally a good thing before protesting in support of it. I myself would very much regret being flattened by a police horse had I thought I was heir to the noble "riots" that led to the founding of the Welfare State. . . only to find there'd never been any such riots, anyway.

PhylPho

Asheron wrote: »

A Water Cannon is a form of torture! and so is a Taser Gun.

Torture is against our Human Rights! does the government care? No

Rubbish. Water cannon is not and never has been a form of torture.

All too many of your posts, however, are exactly that.

wageslave

Students protest in China and they are exercising their human rights.

Write a pithy slogan and take to the streets here and voila, you become a thug.

How many protesters were there? How many committed an act of violence or swung from a war memorial?

Why are we belittling the exercising of our, hard won, democratic rights because of the actions of an idiotic minority?

If five people decide to nip down to my local town hall to protest free bus travel for OAPs and one of those people throws a brick at a passing pensioner, the other four still have a right to be there waving their placards.

Unless someone abolished democracy while I wasn't looking

PhylPho

wageslave wrote: »

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Why are we belittling the exercising of our, hard won, democratic rights because of the actions of an idiotic minority?

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Unless someone abolished democracy while I wasn't looking

It used to be that such disingenuousness worked, once upon a time. That a legitimate public protest manipulated by masked thugs for their own enjoyment could be excused away as some kind of, er, unfortunate interference in the, um, democratic process by, well, "an irresponsible element".

Doesn't work now though.

Society has had it up to here with the sterile litanies of those seeking to defend the indefensible.

Masked thugs are not "an idiotic minority" but part of a concerted campaign by a numerically small collective of sociopaths to get their jollies on attacking property and attacking police officers.

As to your concluding rhetoric, democracy will indeed be "abolished" -- but only if anyone is daft enough to acquiesce in the kind of finessing of the facts evident in your post.

Really2

wageslave wrote: »

How many protesters were there? How many committed an act of violence or swung from a war memorial?

Why are we belittling the exercising of our, hard won, democratic rights because of the actions of an idiotic minority?

The problem is the organisers are not being very strong on their idiotic minority, student groups should be more strongly denouncing the rioters.

Lets face it if the people in 1938 on had not laid down their lives for our democracy and freedom there would have been no protest or war memorial to swing from.

In reality the students should have sorted him out their selves, if they want to ignore the wrong in their own ranks it says a lot of their view on wrongs.

£9K debt for future students = bad (even though they will pay less) so riot on behalf of others.
Swinging off the Cenotaph the memorial which every person who regards democracy should be most thankful for = Carry on regardless.

chucky

wageslave wrote: »

Students protest in China and they are exercising their human rights.

Write a pithy slogan and take to the streets here and voila, you become a thug.

How many protesters were there? How many committed an act of violence or swung from a war memorial?

Why are we belittling the exercising of our, hard won, democratic rights because of the actions of an idiotic minority?

If five people decide to nip down to my local town hall to protest free bus travel for OAPs and one of those people throws a brick at a passing pensioner, the other four still have a right to be there waving their placards.

Unless someone abolished democracy while I wasn't looking

unfortunately that's the problem - you have people who live in different parts of the UK who have seen the news reports and have assumed it was thousands of people rioting it wasn't - most of it and the very large majority were peaceful.

like many things, some of these people have seen the news and have a distorted image of it all.

wageslave

[QUOTE=PhylPho;39392694]It used to be that such disingenuousness worked, once upon a time. That a legitimate public protest manipulated by masked thugs for their own enjoyment could be excused away as some kind of, er, unfortunate interference in the, um, democratic process by, well, "an irresponsible element".

Doesn't work now though.

Society has had it up to here with the sterile litanies of those seeking to defend the indefensible.

Masked thugs are not "an idiotic minority" but part of a concerted campaign by a numerically small collective of sociopaths to get their jollies on attacking property and attacking police officers.

As to your concluding rhetoric, democracy will indeed be "abolished" -- but only if anyone is daft enough to acquiesce in the kind of finessing of the facts evident in your post.[/QUOTE]

I started to highlight the bits of your post that I found, well emotive is the politest word I can think of. Nonensical, whilst more accurate, seems harsh:o

Anyway, I pretty much gave up. I have rarely read such a carefully crafted load of totalitarian claptrap since they raised the Berlin Wall.

Somewhere out there are several third world dictators who desperately require a speechwriter. Apply, young man, apply.

"Sterile litany". Bliddy hell

You have seriously made my day:j

I honestly thought the Daily Star made people like you up

Malcolm.

I'm confused. Are the news broadcasts concentrating on the minority violence due to an underlying media political agenda, or is media merely pandering to the want of the viewer (entertainment in the form of violence)?

It's been baffling me.

lostinrates

Malcolm. wrote: »

I'm confused. Are the news broadcasts concentrating on the minority violence due to an underlying media political agenda, or is media merely pandering to the want of the viewer (entertainment in the form of violence)?

It's been baffling me.

I think its in the news in preparation for the headlines of ''Violent protesters slip on ice'' and ''COLD SNAP leaves protesters stranded for eight hours in snow''.