Student Loans 2012

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Drinking is not encouraged by Universities. Student run organizations or commercial bars in student cities may do, completely different situation.

Yes, a fair share of students go for a binge every weekend. Not everyone does.

Minimum pricing punishes those who like a social drink or two, and won't stop binge drinkers (they're already spending upwards of £30 on a night out, that's my entire food budget, rational economic actors they are not).

I am quite offended that you appear to be suggesting adults such as me cannot control their impulses. Some people can't, sure - they'll only get bitten later on anyway.

Your idea essentially means government-imposed deprivation of those less well off. Should we have minimum pricing on other 'fun but dangerous' things? Motorcycles, for instance?

Lokolo

Given this thread has lasted 10 pages, and people disagree which each other, I am rather suprised (but pleasing) that no-one has resorted to name calling or insults!

Lets just hope this thread doesn't get moved to DT!

setmefree2

For those parents that are reading but are to scared to post :eek: :eek: :DHere's a couple of really good links that have come my way

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=1403591
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=1008717

Really useful

The_One_Who

setmefree2 wrote: »

They can make sure that alcohol isn't sold too cheaply for a start.

Of course, Unis can ignore the fact that students are drinking too much. However, that doesn't change the fact that all the boozing is impacting students results. I would have thought that Unis do care about that?

Also, IMHO it's really bad for the UK internationally to have their Unis viewed not as centres of academic excellence but as a breeding ground for drunks.

Again, the university is not a nanny. The students are all adults and can all choose whether or not they want to drink. Not all students drink, and not of those who do drink to excess. Do you think that American universities don't have problems with alcohol? It's a lot worse over there than it is here.

setmefree2 wrote: »

This is a change of tune! Now you are advocating "helping them" before it was all "they should do it all themselves" "You shouldn't be helping them!".

Who "fills in" homework? What sort of school did you go to?

Why do parents register for graduation? I don't understand?

No, I think that students should make some sort of attempt at things themselves. It's not hard to do some research into how to make a budget.

Homework tended to consist of answering some problems. Did you do your child's homework for them?

Parents don't register for graduation, that is the point. Too many want to do everything for their child. Registering for graduation is a case of saying your name and collecting robes, it's hardly a taxing exercise. The student is an adult and is getting a degree or similar, they should be able to register for themselves.

Lokolo

setmefree2 wrote: »

For those parents that are reading but are to scared to post :eek: :eek: :DHere's a couple of really good links that have come my way

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=1403591
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=1008717

Really useful

The only problem with that is there's a big difference between wants and needs..... take the first reply. The guy needs £235 a week..... that is clearly not budgeting ha. And the first guy wants to spend £40 a week on alcohol, wow!

edit - when is your son going to uni? This year or next? (I can't be bothered to go through 10 pages again! ha) Does he have a first choice yet?

setmefree2

EdgEy wrote: »

Drinking is not encouraged by Universities. Student run organizations or commercial bars in student cities may do, completely different situation.

Yes, a fair share of students go for a binge every weekend. Not everyone does.

Minimum pricing punishes those who like a social drink or two, and won't stop binge drinkers (they're already spending upwards of £30 on a night out, that's my entire food budget, rational economic actors they are not).

I am quite offended that you appear to be suggesting adults such as me cannot control their impulses. Some people can't, sure - they'll only get bitten later on anyway.

Your idea essentially means government-imposed deprivation of those less well off. Should we have minimum pricing on other 'fun but dangerous' things? Motorcycles, for instance?

Why not? In Economics there things are called Externalities. Drink problems come with massive costs to society that fall on the tax payer (health costs) and not on the companies selling the goods. Ultimately these costs take money away from Education (because we spend so much on alcohol related problems in the NHS). So in a round about way if Unis stopped students drinking too much, they would be saving themselves money iyswim.

If companies (or student unions) sell drink too cheap, the price doesn't reflect the whole cost because it's not reflecting the cost to the NHS of dealing with drink problems. So you really shouldn't mind paying extra for your drinks because it's just reflecting it's true cost to you as a taxpayer (I'm presumming you are a taxpayer).

setmefree2

The_One_Who wrote: »

Again, the university is not a nanny.

Indeed it isn't but I have tried to show why I think it is in Universities' interests not to encourage excessive drinking. The extra cost to the NHS ultimately diverts money away from them

setmefree2

The_One_Who wrote: »

Did you do your child's homework for them?

My eldest son got 6 A* and 5 A GCSE last summer and I wasn't sat next to him when he took the exams..... does that answer the question!;)

(I hope that doesn't sound like boasting.....:o He does go to a state high school so it was all under his own steam...)

The_One_Who

setmefree2 wrote: »

Indeed it isn't but I have tried to show why I think it is in Universities' interests not to encourage excessive drinking. The extra cost to the NHS ultimately diverts money away from them

If students want to drink, they will.

setmefree2 wrote: »

My eldest son got 6 A* and 5 A GCSE last summer and I wasn't sat next to him when he took the exams..... does that answer the question!;)

(I hope that doesn't sound like boasting.....:o He does go to a state high school so it was all under his own steam...)

So you'll let your son do his own homework, but not try to figure out a budget? People learn from their mistakes.

setmefree2

Lokolo wrote: »

when is your son going to uni? This year or next? (I can't be bothered to go through 10 pages again! ha) Does he have a first choice yet?

Oct 2012 (fingers crossed). He will be entering as the first year of the new loan system. Under the old system he could have just filled his boots with loans. The new system is going to be more complicated I think.