Tuition fee protest

wageslave

Sapphire wrote: »

Previous generations have not, in the main, had free university education, as you state with such certainty. Only a very small proportion of the population went to university in the past.

Free medical care is a fairly new thing too.

Sapphire wrote: »

It is unfair to ask hard-pressed taxpayers, especially those who have not themselves been to university, to pay the fees of 50% or more teenagers who want to go to 'uni', often as a default option, and often to study a subject that is of no practical value to society (or them).

At 9k a year I think we can safely assume the universities will be the pretty much populated by those doing a degree in fine arts. Or politics.

Sapphire wrote: »

There should be technical colleges to enable a proportion of teenagers to learn practical skills, instead of wasting time on media studies and the like. A proportion of teenagers should also be able to start at the bottom in companies and work their way up – this is a very good way to learn many skills and attain a really good career.

By proportion of teenagers do you happen to mean those whose parents are unable to finance further education?

It would be faster just to type the words working class.......

Thrugelmir

tomterm8 wrote: »

THIS IS NOT TRUE.

AND IT WILL NOT BE TRUE HOWEVER MUCH YOU SHOUT.

The truth is, this measure will save no money until around 4 years time, at which point according to the governments own forecast, THERE WILL BE NO DEFICIT.

This is not a measure reqired to tackle the deficit.

So in four years time the deficit has been resolved. That still leaves around £1,300 million in Government debt to service.

Todays problems will take a decade to resolve.

Really2

Procrastinator333 wrote: »

Also, if you think ACCA and CIMA are the 2 main high rank qualifications you don't know much about accountancy..

PSMSL:rotfl:

So You Think the
Institute of Chartered Accountants Ireland
Institute of Chartered Accountants Wales
Institute of Chartered Accountants Scotland
Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy

What top jobs in england require those then (even public sector would prefer a CIMA or ACCA accountant but their is more to be mad in the private sector if you are good.)

Find me a top management account job that does not require CIMA or ACCA

I think you know nothing about accountancy. CIMA is usually classed as the top qualification. Look up why, the name gives it away.

Why do I know this? I am a qualified accountant who did not go down the uni route.

I would say you need to research this a bit, go to post 48
http://www.reed.co.uk/job-details/Sidcup/Accounts-Manager/Management-Accountant/?JobID=19579161&s=1756&sb=3&so=1&ns=True&sr=1&FromSector=1&1
Salary £35K

Law firm Legal require a fully qualified ACA/ACCA/CIMA with excellent accounting knowledge at least five years experience (required essential). You would be responsible for a team of two, management of accounts receivable/payable; bank recs; credit contr...

http://www.reed.co.uk/job-details/London/Accounts-Manager/Commercial-Financial-Planning-and-Analysis-Manger/?JobID=19646008&s=1756&sb=3&so=1&ns=True&sr=1&FromSector=1&
£65-£75K

The successful candidate will be a qualified accountant (ACA, ACCA, CIMA or equivalent) with relevant industry experience, as well as experience in managing a team. A good knowledge of Cognos is preferable.
Accountancy is not dogged by degree as a minimum from my own experience.

wageslave

Thrugelmir wrote: »

So in four years time the deficit has been resolved. That still leaves around £1,300 million in Government debt to service.

Todays problems will take a decade to resolve.

Denying affordable education to our children will not resolve any of our problems.

Do you know what is actually worse than £9k a year fees?

It is, very kindly, allowing working class kids access to higher education as long as they aren't actually successful. The minute they are successful they are mired in more debt than a merchant bank. And no taxpayer waiting in the wings to bail them out.

Far from discouraging silly degrees, this policy actively encourages them

Procrastinator333

Really2 wrote: »

PSMSL:rotfl:

So You Think the
Institute of Chartered Accountants Ireland
Institute of Chartered Accountants Wales
Institute of Chartered Accountants Scotland
Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy

What top jobs in england require those then (even public sector would prefer a CIMA or ACCA accountant but their is more to be mad in the private sector if you are good.)

http://www.financialdirector.co.uk/digital_assets/1890/financial-director-fd-qualifications_may09.pdf

Of the 100 FD's in the FTSE 100, 55 are from the ICAEW. Compared to 8 CIMA and 5 ACCA.

Also, I can't be bothered now as I'm off to bed, but there are plenty of salary surveys out there that show ICAEW earn more than the rest as well.

P.S. Thanks for highlighting the initials, I would never have guessed.

diable

This is difficult does everyone have a "right" or do you earn the "right" to further education, I suppose its the same as do you have the right to a council property for life, I digress.......

Really2

Procrastinator333 wrote: »

http://www.financialdirector.co.uk/digital_assets/1890/financial-director-fd-qualifications_may09.pdf

Of the 100 FD's in the FTSE 100, 55 are from the ICAEW. Compared to 8 CIMA and 5 ACCA.

Also, I can't be bothered now as I'm off to bed, but there are plenty of salary surveys out there that show ICAEW earn more than the rest as well.

P.S. Thanks for highlighting the initials, I would never have guessed.

The point was relating to get a job? Most good jobs require either CIMA or ACCA (or ACA).
How far would you like to drag this off topic?

Is a degree aprerequisite to getting a good accounts job or not?

You know the answer anyone can get a good accountancy job without a university degree.

You have just proved it showing non university qualified directors posts are now in the FTSE 100. Peal that back 10 20 30 years and you would expect 100% to be University qualified.

PS, if you are such a hot shot what is the program they study at ICEAW would it be ACA? Can you become a member of the ICEAW with CIMA or ACCA............yes.
ICEAW is a body, not a qualification, you can get a pathway to any providing you sit thier exams. In reality there is very little between the 3, all three are wanted for top jobs. (as stated and proved)

Could all boil down what you want to do, I hate audit.
Depends how you look at top pay, because so many do ACA the average wage is £51K I think CIMA is £43K But top is £119K ACA and £128K CIMA.
One average you would earn more ACA but there is a scope to get paid more with CIMA.

wageslave

diable wrote: »

This is difficult does everyone have a "right" or do you earn the "right" to further education, I suppose its the same as do you have the right to a council property for life, I digress.......

I fail to see the difficulty.

It is about levelling the playing field.

Those fortunate enough to be born with a silver spoon pinned to their pram automatically have the right to a decent education. Let us at least put it within the grasp of the rest of the population.

diable

wageslave wrote: »

I fail to see the difficulty.

It is about levelling the playing field.

Those fortunate enough to be born with a silver spoon pinned to their pram automatically have the right to a decent education. Let us at least put it within the grasp of the rest of the population.

But then again dog eat dog and only the fittest survive..........

Cleaver

diable wrote: »

But then again dog eat dog and only the fittest survive..........

But as wageslave has just pointed out, it's not "dog against dog". It's rich against poor.