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As far as I'm concerned. If you go out smashing windows and vandalising public property as part of your protest, then you're too immature for university anyway.
I think a number of them were schoolchildren who will be affected in the future, so you are probably correct
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
PS: University courses are subsidised in most of the coutries incl. emerging economies like India/China.
How does the US universities receive their funding?
Why do so many "emerging countries" send their students to the UK for degree's?
It's nice to think that the government could fund universities, the fact is however they don't have the funds to support the level of university entrants ithe UK have now compared to yesteryear.
It's worth considering, does the government opt to fully subsidise universities and then restrict applications, or allow more people to have the choice to obtain the qualification but they will have to fund it themselves.
It's almost akin to property prices and the ease of credit.
Do you let more people have the oppertunity to become home owners, easing credit to allow them access to the funds?
or
Restrict them from having the option, reducing the demand and leaving the majority become renters / stay at home people.:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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Totally different.
These students are not protesting about rights.
They are saying that they want to do courses that cost up to £9000 per year, but think others that will not benefit should be forced into subsidising them. This is all about cash and little else.
No they're not.
These people were predominantly current students.
They were protesting on the impact these reforms will have on future students. Not the impact on them. They will be protected from these reforms as they will remain under the current rules - their fees will not rise to £9k.
The people under 16 (or aged 16-18) are protesting about the withdrawal of the EMA.
But in addition, there are other reasons to protest. A lot of support for people to get back into further education (via college) as opposed to higher education is being cut. In example, previously, if you were aged 19-25 & had never obtained a level 3 qualification then you would get help with course fees. That's going now.
People on low incomes would qualify for help with the fees (eg for a levels, or an AAT course, or similar). This help is now restricted to those on JSA/IS/ESA.
Access to education (not just degrees) is being restricted. Severely in the case of further education.
Yet employers complain staff do not have the skills they require...
Oh, one last thing. In this era of belt tightening, do we think employers will pay staff to go to college (& also pay the fees)? No, thought not.It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0 -
If they made beer 50p-£1 a pint again in the SU bars there would be no riots.
(well other than at SU bars) 0 -
Just increase the eligibilty criteria so that only the truly brightest go to university.
No...
Why? Because then you will have state schools under the microscope, making sure students are not failed by rubbish teaching over private schools etc.
I had to chase my teachers
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Totally different.
These students are not protesting about rights.
The people protesting will be there for a variety of reasons and will all have a slightly different view about what they are protesting about. I imagine that it the main they are protesting about tuition fees being tripled. Why have people not got a 'right' to protest about that? As far as I'm concerned people in this country have a 'right' to protest about anything their government does which they feel isn't correct.
Just as a completely made up scenario, the government could pass a law next week which stated that it's okay for 6 to 16 year olds to go down the mines again. If you're a citizen of this country you have a 'right' to protest about that if you feel it's the wrong decision, it doesn't matter if you're a child, adult, tax-payer, non-tax payer or any other category of person.They are saying that they want to do courses that cost up to £9000 per year, but think others that will not benefit should be forced into subsidising them. This is all about cash and little else.
It doesn't matter what it's about. The government are passing something through the commons that lots of people seem to disagree with and the majority of decent people are showing their displeasure through protest (along with a minority through violence and unnacceptable behaviour). They have a right to do this. In a democracy we can't decide who has a right to protest based on their income, or whether they pay tax or don't pay tax. That's a ludicrous suggestion.
Please not that I'm not making a stance on whether the whole £9k thing is wrong or right, just responding to your stance that people who don't pay tax shouldn't be allowed a voice about how the government spends public funds.0 -
IveSeenTheLight wrote: »How does the US universities receive their funding?
Why do so many "emerging countries" send their students to the UK for degree's?
It's nice to think that the government could fund universities, the fact is however they don't have the funds to support the level of university entrants ithe UK have now compared to yesteryear.
Sounds a bit like the Medicare debate.
The US doesn't like nationalised medicine, but actually spends slightly more of its GDP on 'Medicare' than we do on the NHS... but thank god it's not socialist.
The reality is that the US spends about as much money per student subsidising university education as we do at the moment, in the public schools.
In addition... under these reforms, it will cost more for students to graduate from a bog standard public university in the UK, than most American students actually pay to go to an Ivy league school in the US. Because, frankly, bright kids get scholarships in the US, and many of them don’t pay anything for their education.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0 -
The opposite unfortunatly, the ones protecting public property were the ones who will be paying the higher fees.
Looks like they were a bit late 'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Looks like they were a bit late
The school girls were in it for attention of the cameras more like.
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