Candidates - Things To Be Aware Of When Using A Recruitment Agency

jay_1978

cavework wrote: »

The agency were breaking the law if they were advertising a fictitious job.. next time inform the job centre .. sorry its a bit late for this advice..
If you were signing on' then as the job was advertised with the job centre did the JC ask you about the outcome?
Next time, if you ever go back to an agency .. tell them catagorically you are only prepared to take full time work.
I'm really sorry you had this happen to you

I did tell the JC after my work finished. I told them that the agency had lied, They wasn't interested lol, All they said was " Oh I know mate " I have told the JC staff about this many times and they have said they know agency's lie, Must be a common practice and I am sure they get told by clients all the time, They just don't care lol

cavework

LilyDeTilly wrote: »

And your point is??

Actually, he asked me where the offer was the first time but I said that I'd rather not say unless I had accepted it.

It appears that you are desperate to try and find something underhand that you think I have done.

No ..
just trying to get the full facts .. which you have now provided

cavework

Jay
You told them after the PT work had finished?
Next time, sorry again its a bit late , if you are only offered PT work and the job advertised is not avaliable .. go straight back to the JC the same day and kick up one hell of a stink!

CCFC_80

cavework wrote: »

The agency were breaking the law if they were advertising a fictitious job.. next time inform the job centre ..

cavework wrote: »

I think we all know that it's against the law but they are allowed to get around it by advertising for example "Accounts Staff Required". The Agency look at it as firms may need possible Accounts staff in the next couple of months but they have no committment from their client that these vacancies are likely to happen.

Candidates naturally assume that these are immediate vacancies and are completely mislead. Then when the candidate registers the recruitment agency consultant has got the candidate exactly where they want them. That is no job at all, all the recent candidates applications,contact names,interviews,names of previous bosses and you end up helping them by giving them job leads to satisfy their own means. To keep reiterating, they are not there to help people to find jobs but to get commission by servicing their clients needs.

RedSoleShoes

danothy wrote: »

The truth of the statement that this advice should be applied to all agents stems from the need to protect yourself from those that take advantage by assuming they all do (rather than the explicit assertion that they all do). The reason for this blanket policy is that experience teaches us that these are not isolated incidents and you run a significant risk of encountering an untrustworthy agent.

Exactly. If we assume that ALL recruitment agents might use our other job application/offer information for their own marketing needs, and therefore COULD possibly end up hasseling the companies we apply to, then there is no harm done if candidates withold this information. It is not needed for registration purposes, or to be put forward for their client's roles so there is no need for the recruitment agency to know these details whatsoever.

I gave my agent the info about my job offer because I trusted him and never thought for one minute that he would call that company the same day to try and put other candidates forward for the role I had found myself. Obviously I was far too trusting. So again, the whole reason for this thread is to highlight this fact to others who do not realise that agencies would not hesitate to do this.

cavework

Sorry .. it was a long time ago and before the internet admittedly but then Agencys would advertise in the local papers.
The jobs HAD to be live and vacancies avaliable immediately
I did have more applicants than vacancies but I would ALWAYS spec the unsuccessful people into other jobs.
I admit these vacancies were temporary but the people who registered with me knew from day one I worked in this area. If there was a posibility that the job could become temp to perm I would tell them but would never intimate that it was definate.
I also often waived the temp to perm fee after the 13 week period . The people who got full time employment through me then reccomended our agency to their friends who also registered..
I still made my commision but the clients and the temps trusted me.

cavework

LilyDeTilly wrote: »

Exactly. If we assume that ALL recruitment agents might use our other job application/offer information for their own marketing needs, and therefore COULD possibly end up hasseling the companies we apply to, then there is no harm done if candidates withold this information. It is not needed for registration purposes, or to be put forward for their client's roles so there is no need for the recruitment agency to know these details whatsoever.

I gave my agent the info about my job offer because I trusted him and never thought for one minute that he would call that company the same day to try and put other candidates forward for the role I had found myself. Obviously I was far too trusting. So again, the whole reason for this thread is to highlight this fact to others who do not realise that agencies would not hesitate to do this.

The consultant must have been a complete idiot if he was chasing a vacancy that had already been filled .
If he/she had any sense the call should have been ' I understand you have just recently independently filled a vacancy with someone who was also registered for work with our agency. This is an example of the quality of the people we can introduce if any further vacancies arise and we would be more than happy to offer our services in the future'
that is not back stabbing .. that is sales

Sammyantha

RacyRed wrote: »

With respect Sammyantha your one positive experience, where a candidate presented you with flowers

Please check posts before replying. I am not the poster who said this.

axomoxia

cavework wrote: »

The consultant must have been a complete idiot if he was chasing a vacancy that had already been filled .
If he/she had any sense the call should have been ' I understand you have just recently independently filled a vacancy with someone who was also registered for work with our agency. This is an example of the quality of the people we can introduce if any further vacancies arise and we would be more than happy to offer our services in the future'
that is not back stabbing .. that is sales

It ain't over till the fat lady sings - or rather until HR sign off the employment contract. For the price of a phone call, the agent slings a couple of CVs down the line, maybe gets a bite. Bear in mind for senior roles, the commission is going to be in five figures. The agent _might_ have a better candidate - and it cost the client nothing really to scan few more CVs...

Now, I've had agents ask "Where have you been put forward too, so we don't duplicate your application". However, "don't duplicate your application speak" is agent speak for "I will send CV's of other people to the jobs you've applied for". You see, if you really don't want to send my CV twice, you'll have to ring me anyway - because I may well have applied to for it after you spoke to me and you will need to double check. I actually had an agency tell me (I think the poor guy was facing one of those perform or p45 moments) that he was actually after leads of where to shove candidates. So, I'm not going to give you the opportunity to give me extra competition for a role. Do I look stupid? If you don't like it, tough. The duplicate application cobblers (lets face it - your lying) is at the end of the day, quite frankly insulting and does nothing but merely re-enforces the public opinion of recruitment agents as a bunch of shysters that combine the worse aspects of estate agents and hard sell double glazing salesman with the business ethics of the "tarmac your drive guvna?" !!!!!!.

cavework

It will cost the client if after scanning a couple of these CV's he then after interview decides to employ one of the applicants put through by the agency because they are the best..and he is aware of this and may well be prepared to pay it for the right applicant
Also some people seem to assume that the agencies they register with could not possibly already have contact with some employers they have worked for in the past or have already applied to.
It's assumed the agencies don't actively look for vacancies that have been advertised independently.
They do not just sit there randomly registering people just to get leads. If the vacancies are not filled they make no money