PCN received through post but registration plate is incorrect by one digit

AlexisV

DaveF327 wrote: »

If a person parked on a yellow line but the warden mis-wrote a ticket, there's no denying they parked on a yellow line. The contravention did indeed occur, although may not be enforceable if the authority can't trace the driver or the driver (if traced) had the case thrown out on a technicality or "procedural impropriety". There is a difference.

The registration POO2 ABC does not exist in the UK, but anyone with knowledge of DVLA registration formats who reads the ticket would interpret it as PO02 ABC and trace the keeper from that. Once traced, (and remember that POO2 ABC would not be traceable at all) any enforcing court or adjudicator is likely (not certain, but likely) to dismiss an appeal on the grounds that the attempt to invalidate a ticket by splitting hairs over 0 and O is de minimis. A bigger mistake or omission, such as substituting a G for a Z, would throw reasonable doubt over the identity of the keeper, so is more likely to result in a dismissal as the contravention cannot be reasonably proven against that person.

It's like the parking adjudicator's decision that the absence of a termination T bar on a yellow line should not invalidate the presence of the yellow line itself as any 'normal person' would know what the yellow line should mean and should not park there. The trifling T-bar question was dismissed as de minimis and the appeal rejected.

I appreciate the 'de minimis' approach and agree it applies to many instances, but registration numbers are different.

Once the text is on the PCN it cannot be altered and the PCN cannot be cancelled and reissued. Therefore it cannot be tweaked because someone reading it thinks it looks like something else. The PCN should actually be binned - someone at the council is being naughty altering the reg numbers on PCNs because they think a character should be a zero.

It's not about the contravention being proved against a person ie. it's not an identity issue. The PCN has to state the precise nature of the contravention and the reg number can't be altered so that it reaches what the council presumes is the correct keeper.

The contravention did indeed occur

The issue is not whether a contravention occurred, the issue is whether the contravention occurred as described.

Coupon-mad

Messrs_Arthur_and_Terry wrote: »

Who in their right mind would be in the UK winter if they could afford to be somewhere else.:D

But some people, naming no names here, are holidaying on the proceeds of money that has literally been frightened out of people who cannot afford it. How can such people have no conscience?

Most people who post on here about PPC bogus tickets are students, families, old people, disabled people - none of whom are in the Perky league as far as wealth is concerned. :mad:

Messrs_Arthur_and_Terry

If those same people continue to tilt at windmills they will never crawl out of the financial hole they put themselves into. While those same people find comfort in the bosom of champions on MSE, they are less inclined to concede their recklessness may be a primary reason for their plight.

Coupon-mad

So how do you live with how you make your money, Perky?

Driver8

Messrs_Arthur_and_Terry wrote: »

If those same people continue to tilt at windmills they will never crawl out of the financial hole they put themselves into. While those same people find comfort in the bosom of champions on MSE, they are less inclined to concede their recklessness may be a primary reason for their plight.

I bet you're in a financial hole too!

Still on the dating site?

It'll be lonely this Christmas, without you to hold lalalalala

Recklessness leads to listening to songs like that at this time of year, Does it not Perky?

Messrs_Arthur_and_Terry

Come on girls, no need for spite.

Time and time again, I find proof of two distinct types of people in this world; me and the rest of you.:)

Driver8

Messrs_Arthur_and_Terry wrote: »

Who in their right mind would be in the UK winter if they could afford to be somewhere else.:D

If you were in Sharm El Sheikh and went for a dip the sharks ( You'd know about them) would be thinking all their Christmases had come at once. A meal that last's till Spring.

Fair's fair, they wouldn't be wrong would they? All on your lonesome too.

It'll be lonely this Christmas, without you to hold..... Perhaps you may be singing, Memories, pressed between the pages of my mind. Memories, sweetened through the ages just like wine.

I just like a good tune.

esmerobbo

Although this thread has gone off topic slightly. And as much as I hate to admit it I don't have much sympathy for the OP. Box junction abuse being one of my pet hates!

However!

Messrs_Arthur_and_Terry wrote: »

continue to tilt at windmills .

I have no enemy imaginary or real. An enemy needs to stand, fight, show courage, and strength. The industry you support has non of these attributes, they would rather attack the weakest and meekest.

If you feel comfortable with the way you have attained any wealth you have, then so be it. No one here can change your beliefs. However most of the posters here have lost nothing to the industry you support because we have not fallen for the threats and intimidation.

However most of us have been shocked and saddened by the stories posted here of vulnerable people being hit with unwarranted charges.

Getting back to the thread avoidance on a technicality whatever your, or my thoughts is valid. Given that the industry you support thrives off attempting to charge people for technicality's at every opportunity.

sarahg1969

esmerobbo wrote: »

Although this thread has gone off topic slightly. And as much as I hate to admit it I don't have much sympathy for the OP. Box junction abuse being one of my pet hates!

We don't even know if the OP has committed a contravention. He's received a PCN, but how many councils send those out just because someone's stopped in one?

esmerobbo

sarahg1969 wrote: »

We don't even know if the OP has committed a contravention. He's received a PCN, but how many councils send those out just because someone's stopped in one?

With due respect unless you are turning right and your exit is clear you cant stop in one!