Nice people thread part 3- Nice as pie

PasturesNew

It's been going on forever, bankrupting small fishermen in Cornwall .... and if you land them you can be prosecuted as there's a man with a beady eye on the quayside. It's annoying that it takes some "celeb" before anybody notices.

I was at a small fishing village/harbour this afternoon, all the boats looked parked up. The quotas are too small, mostly because the Brits told the truth about how many fish they caught when it all started ... and other countries doubled up what they were catching, so when quotas were halved, those liars were still OK.

It costs about £250,000 to buy a small fishing boat - and there's not the quota mix to make enough money to even put to sea a lot of days because you can't catch what's there, you have to catch to quota and throw the rest back.

misskool

The problem is not just the quota which is why I'm not signing. The problem is that there is no way to guarantee that abolishing the quota will return fish stocks to normal. What are the alternatives proposed so that fish stocks WILL not be depleted?

Fishing methods needs to be refined, they need to be changed as well.

vivatifosi

PasturesNew wrote: »

It's been going on forever, bankrupting small fishermen in Cornwall .... and if you land them you can be prosecuted as there's a man with a beady eye on the quayside. It's annoying that it takes some "celeb" before anybody notices.

I agree Pastures. The most crazy part of the programme the other night saw a Bass fisherman having to throw back cod as he was single species fishing. However HFW was following behind on a chartered pleasure fishing vessel and they were catching them in a net as they were thrown overboard. He had to be careful that the fish touched the sea as otherwise they would be seen as being transferred from one vessel to another - illegal. He wasn't allowed to sell them, so instead took a convoy of fishing vessels up the Thames and cooked them on the lawn opposite the Houses of Parliament and gave them away free, including to MPs.

Lydia, they are running a campaign to get a fried mackerel bap on the menu in fish and chip shops up and down the country. Don't know whether you would like kids going for that, but nice for an occasional treat.

vivatifosi

misskool wrote: »

The problem is not just the quota which is why I'm not signing. The problem is that there is no way to guarantee that abolishing the quota will return fish stocks to normal. What are the alternatives proposed so that fish stocks WILL not be depleted?

Fishing methods needs to be refined, they need to be changed as well.

They are trying to make other changes missk, as you may already be aware. The problem is getting people off their addiction to cod, tuna, salmon, haddock, plaice and a couple of other more common fish. It will be very hard to change things if people don't start to be more adventurous. It has to be a multi-strand approach.

They are also battering the supermarkets over the head, so they are capitulating and going to line caught tuna. A small step, but a good one.

LydiaJ

vivatifosi wrote: »

Lydia, they are running a campaign to get a fried mackerel bap on the menu in fish and chip shops up and down the country. Don't know whether you would like kids going for that, but nice for an occasional treat.

That sounds nice. I wish the supermarkets would sell fresh mackerel fillet. It's always fresh with bones or else smoked fillet. I'd love to try my kids with fresh rather than tinned, but I know they won't like the bones. I'll try them with the smoked stuff. We get smoked salmon trimmings occasionally (ie normal smoked salmon but in small pieces) and they like that.

LydiaJ

If I may go back to the subject of extensions...

It's interesting that everybody's idea was to build over the garage. That's what I thought until I saw the garage. Somebody had put a wall across from the house to the boundary wall with next door, stuck a garage door on the front and some corrugated something on top, and called it a garage. It wasn't suitable for building on, and it was too close to the boundary to build something more solid of a decent size. However, there was plenty of space to the north of the house, so what I planned to do was this.

Unfortunately, when I asked about planning permission, I was told that
1) the W side of the extension would have to be set back at least a metre from the NW corner of the house,
2) the E side of the extension must not extend any further than the existing house at first floor level, although it could on the ground floor, and
3) I would not be allowed any windows on the N elevation because it was too near the neighbours in that direction - despite a colossal leylandii hedge and an electricity substation between us.
So I pulled out.

vivatifosi

Don't you just love it when planners make you jump through flaming hoops while juggling with chainsaws? Was there anything you were actually allowed to do?

I prefer your actual house anyway. It's quirky. And quirky's good.

LydiaJ

Thanks viva.

There are things I like better about my actual house, and really I'm very happy about it. However, I still feel wistful about that bedroom. The thing is that in the house where I grew up, I had a large but cold and dark bedroom, and my parents had a fantastic light and airy room with a huge south facing bay window, so it got sun streaming in any time there was any sun in the sky at all. I always thought that one day I'd be the grown-up and have the sunny bedroom. I haven't had particularly sunny bedrooms in any of the places I've lived as an adult, but I suppose somewhere in the back of my mind I still had the idea that I would have that in my forever house - which this is unless I move if I get married again or something.

Still, with a family room twice the size of the one in my rented house, I'm hoping I can actually keep the kids mostly out of the main adult living room, which is sunny, so I'll have to spend more time there and in the conservatory, rather than escaping the kids' noise and mess by retreating upstairs, as I tend to do here.

JonnyBravo

michaels wrote: »

Would be really interested to see the floor plans. WE wanted the garage (probably for storage tbh) but would not have been allowed to not have it as then there would not have been the planners required number of parking spaces.

Ours also built in 30's and previous owners were here 20 years and retiring although it has obviously been updated since the 30s...

And suggestions re the ceilings? They are art-deco (cinema style) patterned artex, can't say it is what I would chose but they are almost 'art' so it seems a shame to skim them?

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vivatifosi

I really like that Jonny. I particularly like having kitchen in middle with dining space either side with lots of light to both and lounge across the hall. It's still central, yet cut off enough that smells don't travel and I like having a formal and informal dining space, especially ones with nice big windows/doors. Also like the fact that you put a double bay in. I bet it looks gorgeous.