snow warning

jayme1

Lum wrote: »

Far too many WRX drivers think that, even in the summer, and they go on thinking it until just before they land on their roof in some farmer's field. (Not saying this is you. I don't think they ever made a WRX with a low range transfer box)

Not sure low range would be particularly helpful trying to get moving in the snow, however. Aren't you supposed to use higher gears?

completely agree about the WRX drivers, and your correct about them never making the turbo versions with low range, just have a plain sports wagon version, great grip and far more practical than the saloon versions.

yep your right about the low range but as the poster above me, use it to move off before moving to high range, and it's perfect to use on completely snow covered roads where you would have to an immunity to death to crazy enough to drive any faster than 5mph

cyclonebri1

I'm a sad git, or at least I admit to being forced into being one today by the weather, Spent most of today trying, unsuccessfully to keep the snow at bay whilst traffic watching. Amazing what you see.
Not a single scooby/evo dispite dozens normally and several stranded 4x4s on "road tyres"

Have to add most saw sense and stayed at home:j:j:j:j

Battle tommorrow tho' (anyone else photograph the snow to show the boss? )

bigjl

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Without trying to be smart you do need to try it, the method I've outlined really is best, suck it and see;););)

To add; why it works is because as the incline/angle increases so does the load on the rear wheels, whichever way the car is going.
Guess what happens to the FWD car going forward uphill??? sorry if thats condescending

I don't think you are comparing like with like, if you are driving at the correct speed then there will be little if any weight transfer to the rear of a FWD car.

I don't doubt that a RWD car will have better traction going up hill, but that isn't the entire story, traction without stability isn't much good.

As soon as you lose traction in a RWD car then the driven wheels will slide with the angle of the surface you are driving on.

I think what needs to be considered is the simple fact that getting stuck in the snow where every body was taught to drive the same way as I do don't get stuck en mass every winter.

The easiest way to explain this is that the only cars that have failed to get up the steep hill to my parents drive have been RWD, unless the RWD car was reversed up, then it was able to make it up.

Also if I don't consider you to be right then why would I consider what you say to be condescending, wrong maybe, but not condescending.

Why has nobody considered the simple fact that once the there is any reduction in traction with a RWD car on snow then the rear of the car will slide about.

I take it the best car to drive in sow would be a Porsche 911 then, though having driven 200 miles across Scotland in heavy snow in a Skoda Estelle I can say with some authority that the traction offered by the RWD and rear engined layout was absolutely no hwlp whatsoever.

At walking speed such as manouvering into a parking space then I can see exactly what you are saying, a FWD drive car may get slightly better traction, but this isn't the case when driving up hills.

There is no one fits all solution to driving in snow, but from my experience FWD is more controllable than RWD, though obviously AWD as in Subarus would be the best option. As proper Subarus power all four wheels all the time, with obvious differences in diffs etc. FWD Subarus are still fairly well balanced, but so rare as to be irrelevant.

The old Justy was very popular in my home town, the new one is just a rebadge profit seeker, not a real Subaru.

Lum

bigjl wrote: »

The old Justy was very popular in my home town, the new one is just a rebadge profit seeker, not a real Subaru.

The old Justy was a rebadged Suzuki Swift, though admittedly the 4WD version was only available as a Subaru.

jayme1

yeah the first justy was a suzuki swift then they moved up to the suzuki ignis (both of them had on demand 4WD where if the front wheels lost traction the rear wheels would come in to play (the same type as the fiat panda 4WD)), then they replaced the ignis with a daihatsu whether that had any 4WD I dont know, but they dont even sell the justy anymore.

cyclonebri1

bigjl wrote: »

I don't think you are comparing like with like, if you are driving at the correct speed then there will be little if any weight transfer to the rear of a FWD car.

I don't doubt that a RWD car will have better traction going up hill, but that isn't the entire story, traction without stability isn't much good.

As soon as you lose traction in a RWD car then the driven wheels will slide with the angle of the surface you are driving on.

I think what needs to be considered is the simple fact that getting stuck in the snow where every body was taught to drive the same way as I do don't get stuck en mass every winter.

The easiest way to explain this is that the only cars that have failed to get up the steep hill to my parents drive have been RWD, unless the RWD car was reversed up, then it was able to make it up.

Also if I don't consider you to be right then why would I consider what you say to be condescending, wrong maybe, but not condescending.

Why has nobody considered the simple fact that once the there is any reduction in traction with a RWD car on snow then the rear of the car will slide about.

I take it the best car to drive in sow would be a Porsche 911 then, though having driven 200 miles across Scotland in heavy snow in a Skoda Estelle I can say with some authority that the traction offered by the RWD and rear engined layout was absolutely no hwlp whatsoever.

At walking speed such as manouvering into a parking space then I can see exactly what you are saying, a FWD drive car may get slightly better traction, but this isn't the case when driving up hills.

There is no one fits all solution to driving in snow, but from my experience FWD is more controllable than RWD, though obviously AWD as in Subarus would be the best option. As proper Subarus power all four wheels all the time, with obvious differences in diffs etc. FWD Subarus are still fairly well balanced, but so rare as to be irrelevant.

The old Justy was very popular in my home town, the new one is just a rebadge profit seeker, not a real Subaru.

Ah Ok, I'm not talking about driving at a "correct speed" however I am talking about the position/ direction/ and orientation that gets a car of the mark under any condition??, is that clearer B??.

Oh and forget scoobies unless they have 4wd tyres, which nearly all don't