It's Bloody Cold Here - Is Global Warming All Over?

smeagold

smeagold

Oh the irony of it all. Natures just not doing what you want it to do is it?

andykn

smeagold wrote: »

There is no evidence to prove CO2 causes global warming. its a theory. An unproven theory. Simple.

So far you've posted two temperature graphs that contradict each other.

There are hundreds of peer reviewed scientific papers by thousands of scientists all containing evidence to support the theory that CO2 warms the atmosphere. So to say "There is no evidence to prove CO2 causes global warming" is a lie.

You can even calculate the temp the earth should be yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body

And then tell us why it's warmer.

andykn

smeagold wrote: »

Very good, we all remember the Intergovernmental Panel on Global Warming, don't we? Oh, er, hang on, there wasn't one.

smeagold

I havn't contradicted myself at all just shown 2 graphs from different sources, there is divergence of viewpoints you know, AGW is neither proved nor universally accepted:

Interesting article:

Quick facts that debunk Global warming:

http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/quick-facts-that-debunk-hysterical-global-warming-claims/

no doubt you'll refuse to read it so heres a snippet

- Carbon dioxide, for all the hype and panic, forms only 0.0383% of the entire atmosphere. That is to say, in every 2611 buckets of air you collect, you will only collect 1 bucket of carbon dioxide. (Source: Wikipedia on carbon dioxide concentration)
- Meanwhile, how much carbon dioxide is released in a year? The amount of CO2 being released by humans is only 3.4% of all CO2 emissions!
According to the National Center for Policy Analysis, only 1~2% of the atmosphere is made up of greenhouse gases. Of that amount of greenhouse gases, only 3.62 percent of it is carbon dioxide. Of that amount of carbon dioxide, only 3.4% is emitted by human activity.
So humans contribute only 0.28% of the greenhouse effect. What does this tiny little number actually mean? To put it another way, in every 40,624 buckets of atmosphere, human activities will only add 1 single bucket of carbon dioxide every year.
And we are supposed to ‘save the planet from global warming’ by halting this 3.4% of 3.62% of 2% of the atmosphere of human carbon dioxide emissions? Even if all human activities were immediately stopped tomorrow, 96.6% of the carbon dioxide would be totally unaffected! (Source: National Center for Policy Analysis, pages 5-8)

smeagold

heres a bit more:

Meanwhile, on planet Earth, the oceans have been cooling since 2003. (Source: NASA)

- Sea ice is growing at the fastest rate ever recorded. (Source: Arctic Research Center)

Perhaps the recent fears that the Arctic was melting is due to the fact that scientists undermeasured the amount of ice by 500,000 square kilometers (the size of California!) because of a satellite sensor glitch. So much for careful and accurate science! What else have they miscalculated thus far? (Hint: See the SCIENCE AND SCIENTISTS section later on) (Source: Bloomberg)
- Antarctic ice is at highest levels ever recorded and still expanding. The purple shaded area shows the record ice cap growth this year in Antarctica. (Source: The Australian, Heartland Institute)

A._Badger

andykn wrote: »

Sadly Mann's supposedly "bogus" hockey stick has been reproduced 12 times by other teams of scientists.

That's science.

No, that's twaddle. Mann's cronies torture the data to get the results they want.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/10/01/ross-mckitrick-defects-in-key-climate-data-are-uncovered.aspx

Still waiting for a response to the IPCC's Ottmar Edenhofer's admission about the real purpose of this monumental scam.

smeagold

Scientists sign petition denying man-made global warming

More than 31,000 scientists have signed a petition denying that man is responsible for global warming.


The academics, including 9,000 with PhDs, claim that greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide and methane are actually beneficial for the environment.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/2053842/Scientists-sign-petition-denying-man-made-global-warming.html

smeagold

A._Badger wrote: »

No, that's twaddle. Mann's cronies torture the data to get the results they want.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/10/01/ross-mckitrick-defects-in-key-climate-data-are-uncovered.aspx

Still waiting for a response to the IPCC's Ottmar Edenhofer's admission about the real purpose of this monumental scam.

Scams the word, apparently only school children are naive enough to believe it but even they must be warned that its biased and unscientific:

AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH AND PUBLIC OPINION

Al Gore’s film An Inconvenient Truth has been a major influence in getting people to believe that global warming is destroying our world.
- But did you know that this film has been found to have at least 35 major scientific errors? (Source: Science and Public Policy Institute)
- This caused the British High Court to officially rule that the film was unscientific, and may only be shown to schoolchildren if the film’s one-sided political slant is clearly stated to them. (Source: Investors Business Daily)

smeagold

here the High court ruling assessment the link above is broken:

"Al Gore's movie, An Inconvenient Truth, represents 'partisan political views' and must be treated as such by teachers in British schools, a British High Court judge has indicated.
"The British court was swayed by numerous factual inaccuracies portrayed in the movie. Among them:

• "The film claims global warming is responsible for the gradual retreat of the alpine glacier atop Africa's Mount Kilimanjaro. Scientists have conclusively demonstrated no such link exists.

• "The film presents graphs indicating that fluctuating carbon dioxide levels have always preceded and caused global temperature fluctuations. In fact, temperatures changes have always preceded carbon dioxide changes.

• "The film suggests global warming caused Hurricane Katrina. Few hurricane experts believe this, and substantial scientific evidence indicates global warming is having no impact on hurricane frequency or intensity.

• "The film asserts global warming is causing Central Africa's Lake Chad to dry up. In fact, land use practices are causing the drying up of Lake Chad, and Central Africa is in an unusual and prolonged wet period.

• "The film asserts global warming is leading to polar bear deaths by drowning. Yet the only documented drowning deaths occurred due to a freak storm, and polar bear numbers are growing substantially.

• "The film claims global warming threatens to halt the Gulf Stream and initiate a new ice age. The vast majority of scientists who have studied the issue have determined such a scenario is implausible.

• "The film asserts global warming is causing the destruction of coral reefs through bleaching. Scientists have identified other causes for coral bleaching and have additionally noted bleaching is a natural process by which coral continually selects ideal symbiotic algae.

• " The film asserts Greenland is in danger of rapid ice melt that will raise sea levels by 20 feet or more. The scientific consensus is that any foreseeable Greenland ice melt will be gradual and will take centuries to substantially raise sea levels.

• " The film asserts the Antarctic ice shelf is melting. In fact, only a small portion of Antarctica is getting warmer and losing ice mass, while the vast majority of Antarctica is in a prolonged cold spell and is accumulating ice mass.

"Also highlighted in court arguments was Al Gore's admission in Grist Magazine that 'I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it [global warming] is.'
"As a result of the partisan political nature of Gore's film, school teachers will not be allowed to show the movie without telling their students the film is scientifically controversial.
"The British High Court properly recognized that Al Gore's movie is nine parts political propaganda and one part science.
"The British court decision should guide teachers in the U.S. to similarly treat Gore's movie as the inaccurate and misleading propaganda tool that it is."
http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/22160/British_Court_Rules_Inconvenient_Truth_Represents_Partisan_Political_Views.html