Boycott JAPAN, ICELAND, NORWAY

jmarko

Seakay wrote:

How do you know that the OP is not concerned about UK actions that result in deaths? What right have you to assume that the OP is not taking action to protest them?

You are quite right.

I apologise.

More correctly, I see no posts on here about boycotting UK products. I only see posts about boycotting Icelandic, Norwegian and Japanese products and Ikea (although that may have been a mistake on behalf of the OP - or maybe not - to be honest, I'm losing the will to live).

But, my point is this. I am won over by the OP's strong argument and way of doing things. And as such, I don't really care whether she supports the UK Government or not. She lives in the UK and so she does support the Government. That's been the thrust of her argument all along. So she's as bad as the rest of them. In the same way that all Norwegians are blood-thirsty whalers. Whether they are or are not.

BOYCOTT EVESHAM - THEY'RE WATCHING YOU.

jmarko

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Boycott the internet! The whales are watching you!

jmarko

Boycott The Simpsons. It was recently revealed (and I'm not making this up to wind up Annoyed of Evesham) that Carl, Homer's buddy and power plant co-worker, was born in Iceland.

So, we have The Simpsons, Evesham, Prawns and The Internet.

Pesky Whales.

jmarko

maow425

LizEstelle wrote:

Norway, along with Iceland and Japan, has decided it's a brilliant idea to start hunting whales again.

I would just like to point out that Norway lodged a legal objection to the IWC's ban on whaling, and have been whaling for many years. They have still been given a quota of how many whales they are allowed to catch, and have only exceeded this quota once since 1994, and that was by one animal. This year's quota was 1052 animals, and only 527 animals have actually been caught. Norway also only hunt Minke Whale, which is considered to be a low risk group, not an endangered species.

The following info taken from Wikipedia:

"Norway has registered an objection to the International Whaling Commission moratorium, and is thus not bound by it. In 1993, Norway resumed a commercial catch, following a period of five years where a small catch was made under a scientific permit. The catch is made solely from the Northeast Atlantic Minke whale population, which is estimated to consist of about 110,000 animals. Norwegian Minke whale catches have fluctuated between 503 animals in 1997 to 639 in 2005."

By saying this, I am neither for nor against whaling - I'm just making a point of the fact that you started off the thread by expressing your outrage over the fact that these countries have resumed the practice of whaling, and that your statement was flawed. Icelandic whalers were the ones breaking the IWC ban, whilst Norway have legally been whaling all along.

Just thought you'd like to know. Also, may I please ask what your actual objection is to whaling? Is it endangerment and biodiversity, the methods used, or hunting in general?

tr3mor

LizEstelle wrote:

If there was a Norwegian or Japanese whalemeat shop at the corner of my street, I would boycott it.

Good for you, I'm fairly sure if there was a whalemeat shop on my street corner I would not be frequenting it!

To boycott something I think you actually have to have had some intents of using it in the first place. If not then I'm going to boycott Tampax!

LizEstelle wrote:

Since, much to my astonishment, there isn't one, I'll apply my action to goods from these countries as a whole. Their governments have sanctioned this senseless slaughter.

This is where your logic falls apart.

You disagree with something, therefore you want to protest about it, fair enough.

I'm sure you must disagree with something that every country does. By your method of protest you would have to boycott every country in the world, it's an impossibility.

JMarko has a good point too. How would boycotting Jarlsberg cheese have any effect whatsoever on their whalemeat industry?

tr3mor

Seakay wrote:

How do you know that the OP is not concerned about UK actions that result in deaths? What right have you to assume that the OP is not taking action to protest them?

I'm fairly sure she is, that is the point.

She cannot boycott every country in the world because of the actions of a small minority of their society!

LizEstelle

tr3mor wrote:

I'm sure you must disagree with something that every country does

And just why, pray, are you 'sure' of this..?

Exactly whose logic is 'falling apart' here? You make these totally unwarranted. breathtaking assumptions as to what I must and must not disagree with.

For your information, there are PLENTY of countries with whom I have no special gripe about anything. There are also probably plenty of matters which YOU find reprehensible about other contries' behaviour which I don't. This is a question of personal morality and the choices we make.

It is my chosen way to protest about the killing of whales for profit. If you have a problem with this go and eat whalemeat or make your protest in some other way or, apparently most likely of all, sit on your hands and do nothing except carping at people who ARE doing something.

Get YOUR logic sorted out and kindly keep your assumptions about others to yourself.

maow425

tr3mor wrote:

She cannot boycott every country in the world because of the actions of a small minority of their society!

I think that's exactly what the OP is trying to do. Because the OP doesn't agree with whaling (I have yet to have a response as to why this is) they have decided to not buy anything from these countries, despite that these political issues have been sanctioned by several different governments in Norway. And by different governments, I mean different parties running the country depending on who gets elected.

Not everyone agreed with the UK government banning fox-hunting, so should that be taken out on those who wanted to continue this, like all those farriers that have now lost their livelihoods?

Personally I think boycotting is something that should be done on a large scale by a government of a country, and in that way have more of a significant impact. So instead of whining about boycotting cheese, shouldn't the OP just write to their MP? Or phone them. Or email them. I know a Devon MP, Ben Bradshaw, is against whaling. Get in touch with him! And according to the BBC, the UK Fisheries minister has called upon the Icelandic ambassador to explain why they have broken the ban.

Oh, and did anyone know that Greenland also hunt whales? And that Greenland is part of Denmark. So does that mean that the OP will now have to boycott Danish products? Well, that means bacon, gammon, ham, many things with pork in it etc. I'm not saying all pork products in the UK come from Denmark, but an array of them do. Just look at the country of origin on the bacon and gammon etc next time you're in your local supermarket...

nearlyrich

I don't agree with whaling and i think it's absolutely dreadful that these countries have started up the industry again but I work for a Japanese company and I haven't noticed any whalemeat on the menu in the staff canteen, neither do they use any by products of whaling in the manufacture of any of the goods so what did we do to deserve to go out of business?

There are a lot less ethical companies out there than some of those mentioned in the original post and boycotting their products will have very little effect on the economy of Norway, Japan or wherever.

LizEstelle

This is just to say thanks to the various people who have pmd me to express support. I can't reply individually to all of you. Thank you for the other company names involved, also. They'll be going on my kitchen noticeboard!

I also appreciate why you've chosen that method, be assured. Given what you've seen on here, I understand completely.

JD - the answer (as supplied by another pm) is somebody called Eggert Magnusson. It seems he wants to buy some club in London. No idea if this is right. Not interested in football!

PS Please keep pming with the company names.