Parking in a pub driveway

Urchin_2

The parking near our school has been a nightmare recently.

It was all fine until the pub got a clamping firm in and put signage up to make it pay and display. This has annoyed a lot of parents because the pub doesn't even open till midday so there was no need at all to be funny about who parks there at 9am :mad:

Now the council has put double yellow lines around all the roads too.
I understand that school run parking can be a pain for residents but also lots of parents have no choice but to drop off on their way to work etc.


Here is my question. The pub has several large entrances, they are wide enough for 3 cars at least so if a car is parked there it doesn't block anyone.

Here's a diagram:



do you think a car parked in the red box would get a parking ticket? I have a feeling the traffic warden will be around a lot now we have all the double yellows.

Thanks

nicechap

I am given to understand the PPC can only put their confetti on your car if its within the pub's boundary as defined by land registry deeds, doesn't mean they won't try or even clamp you.

The bit between their boundary and the centre line of the road is controlled by the council, so the council can ticket you on the road, pavement or driveway if there is a continuous double yellow line. In addition the police can ticket you for causing an obstruction - I assume where you have shown your car in the diagram is normally used by pedestrians (e.g. parents with pushchairs) to cross between the green blobs.

Are you sure there is no other way of getting your child to school? Like walking, sharing with other parents, breakfast club?

tanith

If the pub can make extra money by charging you to park on their land then why shouldn't they do it? They are in the business to make money after all... it might seem petty to you and the other parents who take their children to school by car but they are in business..

Urchin_2

Ah no there are no pedestrians, I missed out the pavement (which runs along the pub boundary.

The yellow line is continuous though which I suppose means I'd get a ticket.

I do sometimes walk, it depends on if I am working, what the weather is like etc as its a fair walk.

Lots of people park up on the pavement on the corners of the roads (totally on the pavement) Out of curiosity....would that get a ticket, presuming there is room for prams/pushchairs around the edge?

tanith

Parking on the pavement is illegal even putting two wheels on the pavement can get you a fine round here..

Eton_Rifle

Would this parking impede the pub's morning deliveries in large trucks?
Could this parking on private land cause business insurance or liability issues?
Is it causing damage to the pub's property?
A nuisance factor with litter etc?

These would be my first thoughts.

Urchin_2

Eton_Rifle wrote: »

Would this parking impede the pub's morning deliveries in large trucks?
Could this parking on private land cause business insurance or liability issues?
Is it causing damage to the pub's property?
A nuisance factor with litter etc?

These would be my first thoughts.

Do you mean parking on the pub car park? That's not an issue as no one parks there anyway now. They will happily accept £1 to park there for 1 hour so the actual cars can't be affecting them... they were just trying to make a fast buck in my opinion which has backfired as they have lost a lot of trade because of it, and annoyed a lot of the regular customers who were also parents.

The pub's reason for the signage was that it was affecting trade on a Friday afternoon, personally I think they should have just put a sign out saying no parking on Fridays, but I guess they'd rather spend money on a clamping company and a pay and display booth.

BillTrac

I don't agree with clamping. But if the land belongs to the pub they can do what they like. Whether they are trading at drop off time or not. It's their property. If they had any sense they would put a barrier in.

Why do you think that parents dropping kids off should be able to park their cars wherever they like? Why should they be treated as special?

I bet if someone parked on your land you would be on here bleating about inconsiderate drivers...:rotfl:

I often drop my grandson off at nursery in the morning. We sometimes have to either pay to park, or walk a way. I never think "oh I'll park in someone's driveway" to save me walking.

horsechestnut

The charge for parking will help to pay for the wear and tear on their car park.
Insurance issues if you hurt yourself on their property.
It is illegal to block a driveway as you could be restricting access to the highway.

Urchin_2

BillTrac wrote: »

I don't agree with clamping. But if the land belongs to the pub they can do what they like. Whether they are trading at drop off time or not. It's their property. If they had any sense they would put a barrier in.

Why do you think that parents dropping kids off should be able to park their cars wherever they like? Why should they be treated as special?

I bet if someone parked on your land you would be on here bleating about inconsiderate drivers...:rotfl:

I often drop my grandson off at nursery in the morning. We sometimes have to either pay to park, or walk a way. I never think "oh I'll park in someone's driveway" to save me walking.

Did I say parents should park where they like? Did I say parents need special treatment? I don't know what post you were reading but it certainly wasn't mine.... I am a very considerate parker thank you very much, which is why I came here to ask about parking outside the pub.

As you should be able to tell from my first post, I am not debating the fact that the pub has a pay and display. I didn't question it, or say they shouldn't be allowed to do it, when another poster asked me a question about it I answered with my opinion, so you can get off your high horse now thanks.

For the record, the reason I would prefer to park there isn't because its closer, its because other people park on the busy main road and with 3 kids to get out of the car/pushchair etc its dangerous to stand in the middle of the road. As people have said there is a continuous yellow line so that means no parking there is nothing to debate and my question has been answered.

Thanks to those who read my original post and answered my question

DaveF327

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this yet, but do you know you can legally stop on double yellow lines to allow passengers to board or alight?