Oyster card users: always touch in and out or get fined!

gromituk

Old_Gold wrote:

There are many people who cheat the system but this oyster scheme does not catch them as much as innocent travellers.

Really? Where's your evidence for that please?

Old_Gold

gromituk wrote:

Really? Where's your evidence for that please?

You really do give yourself away dont you. Yes you do work for TFL and you are company orientated as shown above. Open youreyes and ears and you will see and hear people talking about it. Do you really believe it doesn't go on or have your masters really brainwashed you that much.
"Have I got evidence" - what a laughable question.

starray

"Is there any option for appeal against the maximum fare?

I always swipe in and out and yet I still end up with the odd incomplete journey on my card - can the gates be trusted to always read the card correctly??

I don't want to have to check it for every journey I make" (don't know how to use the quote function)

Totally agree with that post - it's hard enough to work out if the correct "capping" has been done. I ALWAYS take extreme care to tap in and out correctly and even when we have to change midway through the journey. - and yet, still end up with the incomplete fare message. Suspect it's to do with faulty machines!

The machines often don't work or no red light or green light is shown and no message is shown (And this happens not so much at the entrances or exits of stations, but when you have to interchange midway on one journey.)

So - if machines are faulty(and how can we prove this) will customers still be penalized?

peter999

wendy_ann1983 wrote:

Some people may not wish to register their Oyster cards so that they cannot be "followed" but think of this, if you loose your card you cannot do anything about it, its lost, and so is any moey left on it. On a more sombre note (correct me if I am wrong) but I believe Oyster details were used to find out if people had entered the system on July 7th.

How often have you lost your cards ??
How much money would you lose ??
-probably a few pounds if you use Oyster for occasional journey.

Oyster is just being used to create a web of surveillance.
Don't have Oyster card yet & prefer to remain anonymous.

I'm often in London, rarely/never use public transport, never go into Congestion Charge zone due to charge.
Small businesses are shutting down in central London due to TFL policies.

I'm amazed there are so many problems with Oyster card system touching in/out.
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starray

Sorry, that should read I end up with the "incomplete journey" message.

Sam_Bee

The Oyster Card is a blessing for sane, non-paranoid members of London's Society.

1) I pay less on my bus now than I did 12 years ago.
2) The bus is quicker because payment is quicker, less time at every bus stop, and far more, effectively managed bus lanes. And many more buses. (Thanks Ken!)
3) Tube stations - so much quicker than they used to be to get in and out.
4) Shorter queues at ticket machines as most people already have tickets via pre-pay Oyster Cards.

I presume everyone still queuing for paper tickets must be the hyper-sensitive, paranoid, sub-culture that believes that Red Ken is either reforming the British Nazi Party or tracking our every move before feeding us to giant Communist blood-sucking Russian Leeches.

peter999

Sam_Bee wrote:

The Oyster Card is a blessing for sane, non-paranoid members of London's Society.

I presume everyone still queuing for paper tickets must be the hyper-sensitive, paranoid, sub-culture that believes that Red Ken is either reforming the British Nazi Party or tracking our every move before feeding us to giant Communist blood-sucking Russian Leeches.

You can be the first to be microchipped, tracked by satellite, CCTV & realtime networked databases.

What's the problem with that, you've "got nothing to hide".

2020: then what ??
2050: then what ??
2100: then what ??
2500: then what ??

Sam_Bee

2020: then what ?? - Still cheaper and quicker buses? Wahooo!
2050: then what ?? - I'll be living abroad.
2100: then what ?? - I'll be dead, so don't care!
2500: then what ?? - See above.

But it's not a personal liberty point I'm making. But i'm certainly not going to obsess about modern technology in todays world, it's a personal battle you'll never win.

gromituk

Old_Gold wrote:

Yes you do work for TFL and you are company orientated as shown above.

Eh? I don't work (and never have worked, and don't foresee myself ever working) for TfL. Where did you get that idea from? I even mentioned a complaint I made to them! Concluding that someone who doesn't have quite as negative an opinion of an organisation as you do must work for it was so self-evidently silly that I didn't think it was even worth rebutting. Oh, and it had the amusing side-effect of giving you the opportunity to dig an even bigger hole for yourself.:rotfl:

So, back to the question. You stated:

Old_Gold wrote:

There are many people who cheat the system but this oyster scheme does not catch them as much as innocent travellers.

Where is your evidence for this? You can

1) provide it;
2) withdraw the statement; or
3) continue bluffing.

If you choose the third option, it won't take a genius to work out that you pulled the statement out of a hole in your hat.

gromituk

peter999 wrote:

Oyster is just being used to create a web of surveillance.
Don't have Oyster card yet & prefer to remain anonymous.

You seem to be mixing up two things here.

Firstly, not having an oyster card at all means you are paying dearly for it buy buying paper tickets instead. And to preserve your anonymity, you must not use any form of card to buy a Tube ticket.

Secondly, an unregistered card doesn't prevent your mug being linked with it every time you use a ticket barrier, via the omnipresent CCTV. And the same point applies about only ever using cash to top it up.