Oyster card users: always touch in and out or get fined!

Old_Gold

gromituk wrote:

So, back to the question. You stated:
Where is your evidence for this? You can

1) provide it;
2) withdraw the statement; or
3) continue bluffing.

If you choose the third option, it won't take a genius to work out that you pulled the statement out of a hole in your hat.

You need evidence do you? What kind of evidence? Do you want me to go filming people that I see cheating the system or video the countless programmes I hear? what kind of person are you? You have already suggested that you dont believe anyone who is caught could be a victim of the system you support. Sorry pal but you believe what you want but dont expect us to tell you the truth. Up to you but I dont withdraw something you could probably check on by even asking the police especially the transport police.

gromituk

That'll be option 3 then?

Old_Gold

gromituk wrote:

That'll be option 3 then?

If it pleases you to bury your head in the hole you claim I am digging for myself then be my guest.
My concern is for the growing number of passengers who will fall victims to an unfair system. The difference between us is I care and you seem not to.

zappomatic

Instead of whinging and wailing, why don't some of you read the FAQ on the TfL website http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tickets/oyster/general-entry-exit.asp ? For example, you don't need £4 on your card at all times:

Do I need to have at least £5 on my Oyster card to start a Tube/DLR journey using pay as you go?

No. The amount you must have on your Oyster card before you can start a pay as you go journey at a station depends on the zone you start your journey in and how close you are to reaching a daily price cap.

Oyster cards are able to have a negative balance. As long as you touch out when you use the tube (and to be honest you'd have to be a bit thick not to) it will make no difference.

And the barriers in central London stations do have balance displays on them but only on the exit side - this is the only side you need it so you can see how much you have left and if you need to top up when you get out.

wendy_ann1983

peter999 wrote:

How often have you lost your cards ??
How much money would you lose ??
-probably a few pounds if you use Oyster for occasional journey.

Oyster is just being used to create a web of surveillance.
Don't have Oyster card yet & prefer to remain anonymous.

I'm often in London, rarely/never use public transport, never go into Congestion Charge zone due to charge.
Small businesses are shutting down in central London due to TFL policies.

I'm amazed there are so many problems with Oyster card system touching in/out.
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I work for the underground and if I loose my staff pass I have to pay for it, so I don't loose it.
If you want anything over a weekly travelcard you have to register it. I read that some put down false addresses, fine if you send off the form but if you try and do it in station staff will know within minutes (we use the electoral roll, another way of tracking?? better not put your name on that either). So what happens when those who put down false details and buy a weekly or top up with up to the £90 that it can hold then loose that card? They come in and moan at staff.

I will say again I dont agree with the fact that people are being forced onto Oyster but in a society when you are caught on CCTV in every shop you go into, when you have complete strangers film you on their mobiles, tourists take pictures of you as you walk down the street, banks checking on when you shop and where so they can offer you deals (?) and people in other countries hacking into your computer, I don't think a small bit of plastic that is cutting down on queing times and reducing the amount of wasted paper is that bad.

Yes people do cheat the system, everyday I see people jump through the barriers and yes unfortunatly it is the 'legal' cutomers that pay for this but until revenue inspectors get the police backing they need they are quite rightly not going to tackle these people (some are know to be violent).

wendy_ann1983

zappomatic wrote:

Instead of whinging and wailing, why don't some of you read the FAQ on the TfL website http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tickets/oyster/general-entry-exit.asp ? For example, you don't need £4 on your card at all times:

I will have to look into this further but I believe you will have to have a minimum balance of £4 for every journey. I'm pretty sure it will not allow you to tap in with less than £4 on your card. I'm not in work till monday, will try and find a definate answer for you.

peter999

wendy_ann1983 wrote:

If you want anything over a weekly travelcard you have to register it. I read that some put down false addresses, fine if you send off the form but if you try and do it in station staff will know within minutes (we use the electoral roll, another way of tracking?? better not put your name on that either). ).

How can you possibly use the Electoral Roll to check anything in a city with a massive population of foreigners/migrants/transient people.

There are more foreigners in London than native British people.

Is this some sort of joke ??

This is exactly the sort of problem that can happen with all this misuse of data
-some minion employee (yourself/TFL) chooses some database (Electoral Roll) to verify someone's identity, which is COMPLETELY unreliable !!

The Electoral Roll is for Elections, not a way of verifying identity.
(and yes, the Electoral Roll is being misused by TFL & others).

peter999

Old_Gold

Be careful Peter you may have a certain someone asking you for proof of what you have said.;)
However I wonder what the percentage of those 'unknowns' cheat the system as opposed to us 'tagged' ones?

wendy_ann1983

So I guess you ticked the box that said they weren't allowed to use your details when they sell the list every year to varying companys, it is not used to varify identity just address and if your not registered we can still do the card it just takes longer, my point was trying to put down a fake address that doesnt exist.

And I don't know about native British as I myself am English. You sound like you have a real bee in your bonnet over this, (even though you say you do not use public transport) I would suggest you sit back, take a deep breath and relax, there are far worse things out there than the Oyster card. What about those pesky store points cards keeping track of everything you purchase?

At the end of the day you are not the one who will have to try and do your job whilst being verbally abused and possibly physically assaulted by irate customers over something staff were not consulted about or asked if we wanted.

I believe this thread was started so people could ask genuine questions about how the system works not vent their personal grievances about how it works, why not start a seperate thread for that

Old_Gold

Wendy I am not going to condone the actions of any passenger abusing staff but I find it just as offensive when people in senior positions hide away from irate passengers. They are just cowards and it inflames the situation and therefore many staff take the abuse meant for them.