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ceridwen

dark_lady wrote: »

Cindy 101 i have been reading your posts with great interest as i too am a carer but for my husband and i have been in the same position as you with regards to work placements but mine was ten years ago. I would love to know whether you get a job at the end of this. You certainly deserve too. Please keep us updated with how you get on and please dont risk your health through lack of sleep and rest because what a lot of people on these threads fail to grasp is that being a family carer is hard work too. Good luck xxxx

I too really hope you get a job at the end of this Cindy. I certainly feel you deserve to do so. Its crap that you (and many others) are being treated this way - I think its appalling that this supermarket is deliberately using the unemployed to save itself money - and I bet the saved money is being taken for extra profits for itself:cool:.

Do keep us updated.

EDIT: good luck to your daughter Charis as well. Do hope she gets something suitable soon.

scooby088

I too hope that you get the job out of this cindy, have you already had any feedback from the manager of the store or you could ask.

cindy101

Hello yes scooby if the manager calling me and the girl who done 6 isles between us sunday night "his heros" is feed back then yes lol,

and ohhhh Dark Lady lol, i to did the sex chat line job wayyyy back when i was 26 years old looool,
Thank You mwhaaaa for that link also , very interesting stuff and i may well be contacting that number 9 poster if things dont go my way

dickydonkin

Coeus wrote: »

This acknowledges about you what I had concluded from your previous posts and presented analytical ability. You have a biased view in the matter and cannot appear to distance yourself from it.

You also cannot seem to grasp the simple concept that my 1 month suggestion was merely that, a suggestion. In addition you continue to ignore my acknowledgement that a Government deemed period would be more appropriate.

I do not believe you can present yourself with objectivity nor possess the analytical ability necessary to effectively counter a logical argument. As such until presented with evidence to the contrary I will not answer any of your further posts - it would be fruitless.

Best for the future,
Coeus.

Look - I understand you feeling the need of a government timescale for gaining employment, but you cannot deny that for whatever reason you decided to suggest your own subjective one - a foolish one in my opinion.

The reality is that any enforced timescale to gain employment just won't work, however, let's not forget that many unemployed people already have a government timescale for obtaining work or at least receiving jobseekers allowance - it is called contribution based JSA - and once your 6 months is up - many people are left to their own devices financially - but that's another debate.

Let me present you with examples as to why any imposed timescale (defined by you or anyone else) is just not realistic.

Many people keep ranting on about the abundance of jobs out there - well yes, there are some - but the majority of those are not suitable for the majority of jobseekers and those that are, it is likely there will be hundreds applying for them. Take out the part time jobs and the options reduce dramatically for many jobseekers.

For sure, a job may exist as a 'sales assistant' in Jane Norman - but a 55 year old male redundant engineer is hardly going to apply for that role as there would be no chance of him even being considered - despite the useless equality laws we have. Does that make that person lazy for not applying for that role ? - of course it doesn't - lazy? - no - realistic? - certainly.

I have proven this point on this very forum before by posting the pages of a popular recruiting website here in the North East (a recognised economic and job blackspot). Many jobs were in the care sector and others were niche roles.

You have suggested a 'one size fits all' timescale of a few months in which YOU believe all unemployed people should have found work.

You did not take into consideration any of the following.

The location of the person out of work - You just cannot realistically suggest someone unemployed in say Teesside will have the same chance of gaining employment as someone in the South East (please note I am not suggesting that everything is green and rosy there either) just that some places are suffering more than others.

The Age of the person out of work - Despite legislation supposedly deeming ageism as illegal in respect of job recruitment - I can assure you it is alive and kicking. So - are you suggesting that a 55 year old who has likely been employed in the same industry for most of his/her working life has exactly the same chance of gaining employment in a restrictive timescale as a 25 year old?

The profession of the person out of work - This is closer to home for me as I am a Health & Safety professional who was made redundant 3 years ago. I am working now, but only intermittently when work is available. Since my redundancy, I have applied for many jobs that were not related to my skills and were just ignored. These included packing in a warehouse, car park attendant and many other similar positions. Of course, I still applied for a safety position, but due to the economic turndown, this 'niche' role was one that many employers were discarding - particularly in the manufacturing sector. There must be many like me who have professions that are not required in the numbers they were.

The industry worked in by the person out of work - I live in relatively more prosperous area of the North East; however, it is common knowledge that over the years, we have been reliant on heavy engineering and manufacturing. Due to successive governments allowing our industries to be transferred to the Far East and Eastern Europe and with steel, shipbuilding and coal mining confined to history, I think it is fair to say we have suffered more than most, but what replaced these jobs were call centres (many now shipped off to India) and low paid service sector jobs. We are also reliant on public sector jobs - many of which will be gone in the coming months. There are many unemployed people in such industries that are just not required anymore – financial restraints do not allow many of these people to be retrained.

I do not believe you can present yourself with objectivity nor possess the analytical ability necessary to effectively counter a logical argument. As such until presented with evidence to the contrary I will not answer any of your further posts - it would be fruitless.

So you suggesting that an unemployed person shall be given a specific timescale to gain employment is 'logical'?

I don't believe you can grasp the enormity of the current situation - never mind the government unemployment figures - it is worse than what is being portrayed when other 'financially inactive' people (many on the scrapheap) are taken into consideration. It seems you are living on a different planet - you stated you 'may be out of touch' well your postings have confirmed that assertion.

Now - you keep rabbiting on about being 'objective' therefore I would suggest to you that the above objective comments based purely on facts and figures may cloud your rose tinted spectacled view of the unemployment situation here in the UK - and it will get worse. Every unemployed person has different circumstances and you have not taken into considerstion the key factors that are very relevant when attempting to find a new job - not everyone will be as lucky as you and you should acknowledge that - and not assume everyone is as perfect as yourself. Your comments directed at me are patronising and your views are extremely parochial.

You have also contradicted yourself by demanding 'objective' views that conflict with your own postings by you offering a 'subjective' view on unemployment timescales - make your mind up.

Protracted rant over!

dickydonkin

cindy101 wrote: »

Hello yes scooby if the manager calling me and the girl who done 6 isles between us sunday night "his heros" is feed back then yes lol,

Of course you will be 'his heroes' - you are working for nowt - making the managers store even more profitable!

jay_1978

I always thought these work placements was supposed to be a guaranteed job if you was upto it. I did one not long ago and it was for a old lady who ran this like box making warehouse, she must of been about 80 easily and she had elderly people working for her and giving them about 2 pound a day, It was basically somewhere for them to go really but she also used people was on work placements, Now she was being paid to take us on ( So I heard ) and at the end she was never going employ you, It was classed as a charity so she couldn't afford it, So my question is, What was the point in anyone going ? It was all day 5 days a week and it stopped me actually looking for work.

custardy

jay_1978 wrote: »

I always thought these work placements was supposed to be a guaranteed job if you was upto it. I did one not long ago and it was for a old lady who ran this like box making warehouse, she must of been about 80 easily and she had elderly people working for her and giving them about 2 pound a day, It was basically somewhere for them to go really but she also used people was on work placements, Now she was being paid to take us on ( So I heard ) and at the end she was never going employ you, It was classed as a charity so she couldn't afford it, So my question is, What was the point in anyone going ? It was all day 5 days a week and it stopped me actually looking for work.

stopped? so nobody woh works can look for a job?

jay_1978

Ok It doesn't actually help does it ? I found a job while doing it but Its not easy asking the training course that you need to go for a interview or you want to go talk to someone about a job, My question still stands tho, What was the point if she was never going employ anyone ? Thats the whole idea of these placements

custardy wrote: »

stopped? so nobody woh works can look for a job?

dickydonkin

jay_1978 wrote: »

Ok It doesn't actually help does it ? I found a job while doing it but Its not easy asking the training course that you need to go for a interview or you want to go talk to someone about a job, My question still stands tho, What was the point if she was never going employ anyone ? Thats the whole idea of these placements

Well that's the principle of them.

I don't dispute that many people have found work through such schemes (and I hope Cindy from the previous post is one of them), but many employers look to such schemes as a means of obtaining free or cheap labour.

Jay's and Cindy's experiences are testament to that.

cindy101

dpassmore wrote: »

Well that's the principle of them.

I don't dispute that many people have found work through such schemes (and I hope Cindy from the previous post is one of them), but many employers look to such schemes as a means of obtaining free or cheap labour.

Jay's and Cindy's experiences are testament to that.

see this is my worry "is it a really a way for employers to to get the staff they want?
or is it just free labour"?

i feel a bit of both really but i know if i do get the job i will want all or any overtime i can get even prepared to work xmas day ((((I GOT BILLS, AND NEED NEW FRIDGE,NEW MATTRESS,NEW DINNING SET,AND COUNTLESS OTHER STUFF)))
SO IM REALLY WANTIMG ALL THE WORK THEY GOT,
But if i get it my guess is i wont be able to have much overtime as they will still have all the people on JSA coming in for free so why pay me to do more when free labour is readily available,, edit to say,
this is why staff moral is so low right now within the store as i have spoken to people their whoi really would like an extra day as week with xmas coming up but theirs no chance of that when we slaves are all coming though tick and fast,