which is the best buy peugeot 107 or toyota aygo

bigjl

BillScarab wrote: »

You don't consider having to replace the batteries at some point an inherent weakness?

I'd agree with all of the above posters though, they're all made in the same factory so just see who has the best deal on the day. Although it will probably be Citroen.

How many people do you know that have had to change the batteries on a Prius?

I don't know anybody, I know lots of people that have done 200k plus in a Prius and one bloke did 230k before trading his in for another Prius, his old one was a 2001 Y.

there are plenty of jap import models as old as 1998 and I haven't heard much about people having to replace the battery packs.

I assume with your comment that you know loads of people that have had to change the battery packs?

Or are you just repeating what somebody who knows nothing about it has posted on HonestJohn. The "car" website full of people that have almost no mechanical knowledge.

HJ is the butt of many trade jokes.

TVR2

Lum wrote: »

Until quite recently Toyota were considered to be very reliable, wheras as with Peugeot the perception is that their electrical engineers used to work for Lucas.

Oh you mean desirable to one's head rather than heart (I don't know why I expected anything else on MSE, really ).

Lum

Well we are taking about the Aygo/C1 here, rather than a car people are actually going to care about.

Toyota have made some nice cars too. The Chaser and the Soarer were both on my shortlist when I was looking for a new fun car at the end of 1998.

Horizon81

Don't assume the Aygo will be the most expensive. Look at all the prices and specs and see for yourself. Toyota probably have the best after sales care when things inevitably need doing under warranty.

sammylou100

I bought a brand new Citroen C1 in April, at the time they had a great deal on meaning this was about £1000 cheaper than the Aygo or Peugeot (I would have been happy with any of the 3 though as they are all identical inside, extremely simmilar outside and have the same engine) I love it, I am 25, for me the insurance is only £28 a month, the tax is hardly anything and the fuel consumption is good. (plus its tiny and therefore easy to park etc). I looked at other small cars like the Panda but didn't think they were as cute, sorry Panda lovers! I am really happy with my C1. x

mikey72

bigjl wrote: »

How many people do you know that have had to change the batteries on a Prius?

I don't know anybody, I know lots of people that have done 200k plus in a Prius and one bloke did 230k before trading his in for another Prius, his old one was a 2001 Y.

there are plenty of jap import models as old as 1998 and I haven't heard much about people having to replace the battery packs.

I assume with your comment that you know loads of people that have had to change the battery packs?

Or are you just repeating what somebody who knows nothing about it has posted on HonestJohn. The "car" website full of people that have almost no mechanical knowledge.

HJ is the butt of many trade jokes.

The Prius doesn't advertise it's batteries are failed though. It'll just switch back to petrol a lot faster, and no one but Toyota will be any the wiser.

bigjl

mikey72 wrote: »

The Prius doesn't advertise it's batteries are failed though. It'll just switch back to petrol a lot faster, and no one but Toyota will be any the wiser.

However your position doesn't take into account that any vehicle will be less efficient as it ages, and may well get less economical.

The fact that the car starts and drives means the battery is still working, the fact that the range in EV mode is reduced later in life is irrelevant.

Loss of efficiency isn't failure, and I haven't heard of anybody that has had a battery failure, and in fact I haven't heard of anybody that has had reduced longevity in EV mode.

Have you ever driven a Prius? The older model only drove about a mile or so in EV mode even when new, and the engine cuts in and out all the time, so any loss of endurance would be almost impossible to measure.

I am happy to read any evidence with regards this battery issue.

I believe that the expected lifespan was 10 years or so, the early ones are now 12 years old, at least the jap market ones.

Don't forget that the expected lifespan of an undeployed airbag is 10 years in a lot of cases, but I have seen cars much older with airbags that have deployed fine.

mikey72

bigjl wrote: »

However your position doesn't take into account that any vehicle will be less efficient as it ages, and may well get less economical.

The fact that the car starts and drives means the battery is still working, the fact that the range in EV mode is reduced later in life is irrelevant.

Loss of efficiency isn't failure, and I haven't heard of anybody that has had a battery failure, and in fact I haven't heard of anybody that has had reduced longevity in EV mode.

Have you ever driven a Prius? The older model only drove about a mile or so in EV mode even when new, and the engine cuts in and out all the time, so any loss of endurance would be almost impossible to measure.

I am happy to read any evidence with regards this battery issue.

I believe that the expected lifespan was 10 years or so, the early ones are now 12 years old, at least the jap market ones.

Don't forget that the expected lifespan of an undeployed airbag is 10 years in a lot of cases, but I have seen cars much older with airbags that have deployed fine.

What, a bit like an old mobile phone that'll turn on, and dial a call, but then turn off when you start speaking?
Or an old laptop that'll boot up, then switch off again as the battery life "is reduced" .

bigjl

Why not post some evidence or post how many miles you have driven in a Prius, or how much experience do your friends and colleagues have in using Prius'.

My limited research hasn't shown up any problems, though limited only in the fact that I know lots of blokes that have used Prius' for work and have noted no reduction in battery life.

Also you comparison with the memory effect on a laptop or mobile phone battery is totally flawed, if a Priius battery was like that it wouldn't start, rmember that a Prius stops and starts hundreds of times a day, how many have you seen with jump leads attached, or getting recovered to a dealer on a low loader come to that.

sebdangerfield

Prius' = Priuses