working hours? legal requirement

Esoog

Becc4 wrote: »

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I asked for an answer on a simple question not a comment on what you think are my mans works ethics are- he is not complaining I am simply seeing if there are rules that govern the army, when not getting ready to deploy or already in afgan etc....

For your information he's done close to his 22 so not as if hes a nodder is it!!!

I worry for other peoples safety as well as his at times, and think others feel the same way. When he's been on active duty he says the more work the better, however when they are on british soil, travelling on british roads dont you think there should be some regulations.

BTW I've yet too see the x factor pay!

thanks to all that did reply a sensible answer, it was as I thought.

X-factor is included in his yearly salary, it's not something that is paid soley when on pre-deployment/deployment, it's permanently paid.

however when they are on british soil, travelling on british roads dont you think there should be some regulations.

That's something different if he's driving, the Armed Forces aren't exempt from "Drivers Hours" (those dreaded words!), there's only so long you can drive for without a set break etc. I'm no MT guru though, but I expect someone here is. Failing that it's probably all in JSP 800 for him to look at if he wants? Is that what you're trying to get at - that you/he thinks he's doing too much driving? If so, that's quite a serious issue for the Army and can land lots of people (himself included) in serious trouble if something goes wrong.

Lirin

Direct-gov website:
Exceptions to the regulations
Your working week is not covered by the Working Time Regulations if you work in the following areas:
jobs where you can choose freely how long you will work (such as a managing executive) the armed forces, emergency services and police are excluded in some circumstances domestic servants in private houses The rights to breaks apply differently to you if:
you have to travel a long distance from your home to get to work you constantly work in different places making it difficult to work to a set pattern you are doing security or surveillance-based work you are working in an industry with busy peak periods, like agriculture, retail or tourism there is an emergency or risk of an accident the job needs round-the-clock staffing (such as hospital work) you are employed in the rail industry and you work on board trains or your activities are irregular or linked to seeing that trains run on time

In these cases, instead of getting normal breaks, you are entitled to 'compensatory rest'. This is rest taken later, ideally during the same or following working day. The principle is that everyone gets a minimum 90 hours rest a week on average. This is the total of your entitlement to daily and weekly rest periods, although some rest may come slightly later than normal.

snowball1972

Becc4 wrote: »

:mad:

I asked for an answer on a simple question not a comment on what you think are my mans works ethics are- he is not complaining I am simply seeing if there are rules that govern the army, when not getting ready to deploy or already in afgan etc....

For your information he's done close to his 22 so not as if hes a nodder is it!!!

I worry for other peoples safety as well as his at times, and think others feel the same way. When he's been on active duty he says the more work the better, however when they are on british soil, travelling on british roads dont you think there should be some regulations.

BTW I've yet too see the x factor pay!

thanks to all that did reply a sensible answer, it was as I thought.

There are driving regulations to adhere too if using military vehicles. If using his own car, then hopefully his bosses use common sense on planning shift patterns etc. My wife had to drive to/from work after 24 hour shifts, she was told that if she was too tired, then she can just stay in the accomodation on camp!

Becc4

it's very difficult to explain clearly why I am concerned, he is not a driver by trade, but has been asked to 'drive' several hours after arrival from an international flight.(hence why probably doesnt adhere to any laws) I doubt he will be driving long enough for a break it's the rest period prior to the driving job. I think that the army should adhere to some kind of work regulation. To be honest as he is based on camp miles from home he works what ever hours RSM decides/dictates, and that doesnt bother me/him.

I dont want a debate on what other think, there is no law or regulation there for the army can flog him till he and every other poor sods drops.

13Kent

I think there are some regulations about how soon you are allowed to drive after a flight. That might depend on the duration of the flight though.

mountainofdebt

Becc4 wrote: »

it's very difficult to explain clearly why I am concerned, he is not a driver by trade, but has been asked to 'drive' several hours after arrival from an international flight.

I must admit some of the answers did make me laugh but in fairness OP it was the way you worded the initial question, that sort of begged these answers.

Seriously though, I do think some common sense needs to be used here.

If your OH is too tired to drive safely then he needs to tell someone .....wouldn't look good if he fell asleep at the wheel and had an accident now would it? Especially with all those warning signs along the motorway .........usually just before a service station:rotfl:

btw why did you say 'drive' - either he will be driving or he won't?

Esoog

Becc4 wrote: »

it's very difficult to explain clearly why I am concerned, he is not a driver by trade, but has been asked to 'drive' several hours after arrival from an international flight.(hence why probably doesnt adhere to any laws) I doubt he will be driving long enough for a break it's the rest period prior to the driving job. I think that the army should adhere to some kind of work regulation. To be honest as he is based on camp miles from home he works what ever hours RSM decides/dictates, and that doesnt bother me/him.

I dont want a debate on what other think, there is no law or regulation there for the army can flog him till he and every other poor sods drops.

Well duty of care certainly applies, we recently returned from overseas (coach-ferry-coach) and none of the drivers were allowed to drive home that night (we arrived back at camp at about 0030) and had to sleep in camp until the next morning. Is it a civvy flight or a air troop? If its a civvy then he could ask for an upgrade (dont rate his chances) to a more comfy seat so he can get plenty of kip on the plane - though if hes strapped to the back of a herc this obviously aint going to happen!

peteuk

Becc4 wrote: »

it's very difficult to explain clearly why I am concerned, he is not a driver by trade, but has been asked to 'drive' several hours after arrival from an international flight.

I would advise him to be very carefull, because...

When I was deployed with an MT manager, they stopped troops getting off the RnR flight and getting hire cars. The restriction they place on this was an 8 hour "rest" period before you drove one.

(This was after someone wrote off a hire car and the insurance didnt pay out)

Secondly if he is awake for the whole flight and then drives and crashes, he can be charged with driving offences. Remeber a few years ago someone crashed his car/trailer. The trailer ended up on a rail line and cashed a train cash. He had been up most of the night on his pc. Law implies if your tired dont drive.

Again if he is driving his own car then the insurance will try anything to get out of paying out.

In an MT vichle then he will be asked as part of the investigation how long he has been awake, when did he first drive that day/shift.

For these reasons the RAF will provide a bus for crew (pilot and stewards and take them to their quaters)

snowball1972

Becc4 wrote: »

it's very difficult to explain clearly why I am concerned, he is not a driver by trade, but has been asked to 'drive' several hours after arrival from an international flight.(hence why probably doesnt adhere to any laws) I doubt he will be driving long enough for a break it's the rest period prior to the driving job. I think that the army should adhere to some kind of work regulation. To be honest as he is based on camp miles from home he works what ever hours RSM decides/dictates, and that doesnt bother me/him.

I dont want a debate on what other think, there is no law or regulation there for the army can flog him till he and every other poor sods drops.

You are not allowed to drive if coming back from say Afghan the Faklands etc, thats why you can't get a hire car straight away at Brize. The RAF anyway.

Becc4

thanks for all the comments/suggestions etc, it's a short haul flight and I'm not sure if it's domestic or mod flight. I'm sorry if I was a little vague to begin with but for all you currently serving you all know the world of poo he'd be in if it thought he was complaining on a public forum etc.. i will bare this in mind next time. I belive he has subtly mention to whoever his concerns about delayed flight etc, and alternative plans have been made.

btw i never knew you weren't allowed to drive after coming back from afgan etc. although think it's safe thing it must be hard to police, esp if your only home for RnR, must feel like your wasting time on camp.