Advice needed - does my child have ADHD?

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blessings3 wrote:

If your child had cancer would you deny them drugs because they would be [U''drugged up during childhood''

If your child had epilepsy/diabetes/shisophenia etc would you in all honesty trust in wholistic medicine for long term treatment - ADHD and Autism are no different - only in that the symptoms show in behaviour not in a phsyical manifestation

Read a few books about adults who had ADHD as a child and the differnce that medication made to them -

Join my ADHD support group on eBay and read about reallife cases of ADHD and the trama it causes to families and some of the adult members who have found ritalin to be a mirical drug

Its patronising people like you who make parents ashamed of having a child with an illness and blam themnselves and are too afraid to stand up to the system/society and if necessary to give thier child a drug which in many mean thier child can live a relativly normal life and stay in main stream education


And that is claptrap about (most) peadatritions - They do not dish out ritalin/stratera/concerta like smarties they are more likerly to advise parents to try EyQ - diet - parenting classes before anything - You are about 10 years behind the times with that opinion


And an edphys will alomst invariably advise you to get a diagnosis from a pedeo especially if a stament is needed


PS to anyone ''real'' out there eyeq is avaliable on perscrition under many circustances but many GP's (but all peadatritios!!) do not know this but will look at the register with some prompting - saves me (MS moment) about £60 a mounth:T

you dont know anything about me and how dare you suggest i am patronising, i am just stating facts of what actually happens.

no i wouldnt deny a child LIFE SAVING drugs, weather it be for Diabetes / epilepsy etc etc. ADHD does not kill you.

what i was saying is that drugs are not always the answer. and alternative therapies / diets can be paramount in managing excessive behaviour in children (and more often than not successful).

i work in childrens health and behaviour management is my job. i can assure you that paediatricians in my area will RARELY commit to a diagnosis (as i have tried on many occasions, and had very lengthy debates on this subject) as i believe that (and this is only my personal view) - they are cautious of litigation

statementing of a child does not need to come from a paediatrician

apart from my professional experience, i have a brother (now 40) who in his childhood was unbearably uncontrollable from the age of 4, expelled from schools at age 5, 6. at 7 was sent to a boarding school for children with behaviour probs and at that time no-one would diagnose him (although my mum now thinks adhd)

secondly i have a 15 year old nephew who at an earlier age displayed similar characteristics however he was more severe. he would jump out of his window on the 1st floor (for a laugh) foam at the mouth in anger. and broke nearly everything in sight when on a what we called a "bender" including the large fish tank filled with fish. he was never diagnosed (but is displaying normal behaviour now) cos no one would commit. he was put on ritalin, however this made him so suppressed, that he was like a zombie and eventually only when the trial removal of certain trigger foods were removed from his diet did his behaviour improve.

blessings3

You can suggest that I know nothing about ADHD and am ''drugging'' my child but I cann;t call you patronising

Where is your sientific evidence that Alternative therapies work? Which alternative therapies ? Monitered and supervised by which bodies?

So your brother had ADHD 40 ish years ago and no one would comit to a diagnosis and you had a nephew who no one would comit a diagnosis to - so what

40 years ago ADHD was virtually un heard of - you nephew may not have had ADHD - you may have seen a crap doctor - your family may not have fought hard enough for a diagnosis - so what THIS IS ALL PERSONAL EXPERIENCE and NOT eveidence

REad the ADDDIS web site - read a good book - read my posts

I am not say all alternative therapies are crap, I am not saying diet is not important i am not saying donnt take EyeQ -large does of ritalim and mind alternig drugs are much better.

I am saying get a medical opinion, donnt get your child diagnosed by a cranial osteapath

And no I know a diagnosis is not necessary for a stament but try getting bloody help without it - I have to my emotional cost - the system needs boxes to tick

My son now has one to one support from two a full trained special needs teachers not a NTA but a teacher 9one of who used to write staments and run a special need school) - in a mainstream school - he has not been excluded for 2 years and is making excellent progress but suspect we will have to get him diagnosed with dxlexias

We get disability living allowance meaning I can work much less to be there afterschool and in the holidays - I have money to pay for 121 swimming lessons and for quite a few ''Alternative'' treatments for his symptoms also money to buy mostly organic food

My son gets this because he has been diagnosed
- Not because David says he has a birth trauma

I volunterr in a charity for people with learning diffculities and am an advocate for 3 severly diabled clients - but so what

At the end of the day without a diagnosis everything is pure speculation and personal opnion

David_Harrison_2

blessings3 wrote:

How dare I?, I have a child with ADHD

How many ''alternative therapies'' should someone try before they get real help instead of claptrap about re-balancing and healing themselves

Your interest is craniel osetopathy, my intrest is a real life child who has real life pratical physical and mental problems.

Show me empirical proof that craniel osteophy has a real measurable effect on a statistically viable test group of children with ADHD instead of just your opinion

Read a few good books on ADHD - look at the bloody scientific evidance - dont prattle on to me about something which obviosly you have very little ''real '' knowlage -

My son need pratical day to day help with his education not his head rubbing by some prat who thinks his chi is unballanced

If I asked for NTA support for my son in school because my oseapath says he has a birth trauma i would be laughed out of the place -

If you have read my posts I am very much in favour of some alternative methods but you are not a diagnostition :rotfl:


If you think you can diagnose then you are a dangerous man and I pitty your clients especailly someone with something that is advanced or advances rapidly who wates time with you insted of getting a real medical opnion

Your language is offensive and unnecessary. That is not excused by your having a child with ADHD, or having chalenges of your own. I am only contributing to this thread to help someone who asked for help. I doubt your ranting and preaching is helping anyone.

My "interest" is in helping people, using any tools I can.

There is no "empirical proof" that any method works for all people with ADHD since the label is a very imprecise one, probably refering to many different interelated conditions. If you know otherwise, please point me in the direction as I am always trying to learn.

"not his head rubbing by some prat who thinks his chi is unballanced" . This really says more about you than me and is not worthy of a response.

So your paediatrician hands out Eye Q. Great, but he /she is a rareity. And how did they come to start using it I wonder. Almost certainly because "alternative practitioners" had recommended it to their mutual patients and they were impressed with the results.

I am not sure what you mean by "a diagnostician", and I am not sure you do. I have 23 years of clinical experience treating children and adults. None of them have come to any harm from the treatments I have given, (I wonder how many of the "medical opinions" you have sought can say that?) and the vast majority report that they have benefited from them. I make diagnoses, but I do not treat diagnoses, I treat people, to the best of my ability. If I feel a patient would be better off being treated by someone else, I will send them there, be it Ed Psych, Peadiatrician, Learning Support, Behaviour management, Counselling. Often I work with these people to get the best for that patient.

I beleive you will find that in the vast majority of cases it is the Ed Psych who produces the statement.

Probably the majority of my patients have been for "a real medical opinion" before they come to see me. Doctors are not Gods. They are a hard working group of people working in very difficult circumstances. The NHS often does not give them adequate time or resources to make a diagnosis. Working in private practice I am very fortunate in that I do have the luxury of time. On many occassions this extra time has allowed me to do tests that have detected serious pathologies that have been missed by overstretched Doctors, enabling a prompt referal back to GP or consultant with a practical working diagnosis. Other times, GPs and Consultants refer patients to me, becasue they feel that the services I can offer are more suitable for their patient. So, unlike you, I do not feel pity for my patients, except it is a pity that they have to pay money to get a diagnosis and treatment.

Anyway. For what it is worth, here is my diagnosis: I think you are a rather angry person who is not coping very well. The anger and agression you are off-loading onto me cannot be doing you or anyone around you any favours.

I will not reply to any further offensive posts from you, but I am happy to have a civilised debate.

blessings3

Yes the Ed Psych produces the statemente but as I keep repeating you are very unlikerly to get one in the real world without one -

My language is offensive to you because I am not going '' OOHH a cranial otsteapath'' how altnernativly loverly lets breakout the Aromaterapy oils and clebrate

And yes it says alot about me - It says I have read and listened to so many ''alternative '' friends and practicioners tell parents that ADHD can be cured by various and multitudenous treatments and had so much money taken for so little results.

There are lots of empirical studies that show that drug therapy and councling are the most effective was of traeating ADHD - If you donnt know about them or donnt '' trust'' them because they are sientific I think that says alot about you as you are quite happy to spout an opnion but not back it up with any real

Read the posts David and stop being so bloody sanctinmonious

And yes I personally think that Osteopathy should be avalible on the national health

By diagnoisis I mean that you are suggesting in a public forum that parents should go to a cranial osteopath for a ''diagnosis'' before they seek help from thier GP not beacause this child has a mild sleep problem/headcahes but because she has serious concerns about her child having ADHD - Think that says it all about you and me

And David I'm not an Angry person and onece again your ''remote'' diagnois of me not coping very well says so much about you

suzysue_2

Oh Dear play nicely now children.
It's obviously a touchy subject and fantastic that the op has such a wide range of expert advice to choose from.
Snaggles I hope you manage to get the help that is best suited to your little one.
X

David_Harrison_2

blessings3 wrote:

My language is offensive to you because I am not going '' OOHH a cranial otsteapath'' how altnernativly loverly lets breakout the Aromaterapy oils and clebrate

I think you will find your langauge is offensive to anyone reading this board, not just me.

blessings3 wrote:

There are lots of empirical studies that show that drug therapy and councling are the most effective was of traeating ADHD - If you donnt know about them or donnt '' trust'' them because they are sientific I think that says alot about you as you are quite happy to spout an opnion but not back it up with any real

As I said above, please point me in the direction of the studies as am always open to new information.

blessings3 wrote:

By diagnoisis I mean that you are suggesting in a public forum that parents should go to a cranial osteopath for a ''diagnosis'' before they seek help from thier GP not beacause this child has a mild sleep problem/headcahes but because she has serious concerns about her child having ADHD - Think that says it all about you and me

Please can you tell me where I said that? I have never said that the cranial osteopath is the one to make the diagnosis of ADHD. Just that there are some factors of a childs health, that may be related to their ADHD that can often be helped by cranial osteopathy. Why not deal with them first, since this is likely to be the least invasive form of treatment?

And David I'm not an Angry person and onece again your ''remote'' diagnois of me not coping very well says so much about you

The first and only diagnosis I have made on this board (read the thread) and maybe I am wrong. I am sorry if it caused offence.

black-saturn

If you take your child to the doctors with suspected ADHD be prepared for a long wait to be diagnosed. My friends waited 3 years for her daughter to be diagnosed and she had to go for loads of appointments with specialists first. They prefer to give you 3 years of making you feel like your a lousy mother before they give you any help. If he had they will more than likely prescribe Ritalin which IMO is terrible. It numbs their personalities so much they are unrecognisable again and when they come off it in later life they suffer withdrawal symptoms. Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love put their heroin addiction down to the fact that when they came off Ritalin they couldnt find anything else which gave them the same buzz. So if it campares to heroin it must be bad.

My daughter was diagnosed with ADHD (which took a year) but I refused the Ritalin. Instead I home cook everything from scratch and give her Omega 3 fish oil and I have seen a marked improvement in her.

blessings3

black-saturn wrote:

If you take your child to the doctors with suspected ADHD be prepared for a long wait to be diagnosed. My friends waited 3 years for her daughter to be diagnosed and she had to go for loads of appointments with specialists first. They prefer to give you 3 years of making you feel like your a lousy mother before they give you any help. If he had they will more than likely prescribe Ritalin which IMO is terrible. It numbs their personalities so much they are unrecognisable again and when they come off it in later life they suffer withdrawal symptoms. Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love put their heroin addiction down to the fact that when they came off Ritalin they couldnt find anything else which gave them the same buzz. So if it campares to heroin it must be bad.

My daughter was diagnosed with ADHD (which took a year) but I refused the Ritalin. Instead I home cook everything from scratch and give her Omega 3 fish oil and I have seen a marked improvement in her.

This is why you should not wait - because a childs education is at stake


Check out DR Christopher Greens book on ADHD gives one of the best Biblographies and gives a run down of all the magor studies -


You show me one major studie on craniel ostophay on ADHD in children


Eyeq is not an alternative therapy it is now one of the most widly used therapies for mild/moderate ADHD - And if you cheque out is origins it is actally from sientific studies of diet

Black Saturn I know you are a very wonderful and passionate parent - i'm glad your daughter has responded to eQue - I personnally would not give my son ritalin either but i would not preach to anyone who made that difficult and brave choice

Ritalin is not a wonder drug and does have major side effects BUT it is the '' end of the line - whatelse can we do '' solution for some parents

blessings3

''Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love put their heroin addiction down to the fact that when they came off Ritalin they couldnt find anything else which gave them the same buzz. So if it campares to heroin it must be bad.''

Re read this and a bit surprised at you judmment on this Black Saturn - Children who have ADHD have in general have- Very risk taking - low boeardom type personalities - they are very often ''outsiders'' who have anti authority - and maybe even conduct type disorders - I would have though this is more likerly to cause Drug abuse than Ritalin - But if thats what thease pop stars want to blame thier adictive personalities on rather than taking personal responsiblity thats fien by me

David_Harrison_2

blessings3 wrote:

Check out DR Christopher Greens book on ADHD gives one of the best Biblographies and gives a run down of all the magor studies -

You show me one major studie on craniel ostophay on ADHD in children

Eyeq is not an alternative therapy it is now one of the most widly used therapies for mild/moderate ADHD - And if you cheque out is origins it is actally from sientific studies of diet

Thanks for the reference, I will try to get hold of a copy and check it out.

By "major study on cranial osteopathy" I presume you meean some kind of double blind trial. Unfortunately it is not possible to do double blinds in hands on therapies for obvious reasons. Also there is very little funding for research into natural treatments, so no, I am affraid I cannot give you the evidence you require, and doubt I ever will be able to until some kind benefactor donates some money for research. To be honest, thinking about it, I cannot see how the research could ethically be carried out, since the child would have to receive nothing but cranial treatment, and most practitioners recognise the benefits of a multi-disciplinary multi-treatment approach and would be unwilling to restrict a child to a single therapy. And like I said before, the ADHD label seems to be applied to such a broad collection of symptoms and observation, that it would be difficult to standardise.

There is however plenty of anecdotal evidence.

Re Eye Q: when we were first recomending fish oils to patients 20 years ago we were mocked by the conventional medics as quacks. Now they realise they might have been wrong, and we did have some idea of what we were talking about.