Is this really unreasonable?

mostlycheerful

Rochdale Pioneers : “The fundamental problem is that in large areas of the country - the Welsh Valleys being the example used - there has been little regeneration since the smashing of heavy industry by the unions in the 70s then by Thatcher in the 80s. Mass unemployment and high levels of benefit claimants are rife because there aren't enough jobs and there are never going to be enough jobs locally.”

That’s right, large areas of UK are wastelands with no work available and only poverty and people eking out existences on the dole and by crime. So telling downtrodden oppressed people to get work or travel to find work is wholly unrealistic when there isn’t any work anywhere. Typical mindless evil uncaring out of touch rich !!!!!! Tory moronic idiotic unrealistic nonsense. Shame on them. Utter wrong'uns.

Also a lot of people of low intellect are wholly unfit for any kind of work. People who can’t read or write or count or add up or even speak properly are mostly not employable. Foreigners who can’t speak English or read or write are mostly unemployable. And a lot of people have deficient personalities, both by birth, various deprivations and bad experiences and influences they’ve been subject to in their formative years and from television, computer game and rap music brainwashing, and are mostly unemployable. So even if there were any jobs available most of these types of people are incapable of doing them.

And a lot of people have higher aspirations than doing unpleasant menial awful disgusting mindlessly boring and annoying jobs on minimum wage and being ordered about by bullying bosses. And rightly so. Who wants to be a slave and treated with contempt and abuse on a daily basis for peanuts and not even enough to live on let alone have and buy anything and have a bit of lifestyle? No one.

No, this is one of the most ill thought out pronouncements of this shower of a government. Bunch of ignorant morons, dead from the neck up. What unfit for purpose failures they are. A higher level of consciousness is required in leaders. However this lot are already proving to be rubbish, as this absurd unpleasant crass suggestion illustrates. As predicted and expected. It’s no surprise.

WhiteHorse

lucylucky wrote: »

What an odd thing to say, who was it?

I can't remember, but it did receive quite a lot of publicity. Which was no doubt the object of the exercise!

careinthecommunity

WhiteHorse wrote: »

Simple. Moving house costs thousands. Allright if you are have plenty to spare on a speculative adventure. Not so jolly for anyone else.

i agree, however i am not suggesting people move on a speculative basis, the OP asked was it a bad idea to relocate for work which i think it isnt, you said it was ludicrous why?

after all people have relocated for work for generations?

Shakethedisease

So telling downtrodden oppressed people to get work or travel to find work is wholly unrealistic when there isn’t any work anywhere

History repeating itself unfortunately in attitudes towards the most poor and most vunerable in society.. T'was ever thus..
It really hasn't changed much. A quick read of the article below shows many of the problems in victorian times, echoed, almost exactly today.

http://www.hiddenlives.org.uk/articles/poverty.html

"Therefore all these factors – population explosion, immigration both foreign and domestic – added up and resulted in a scramble for any job available. "

"Low wages and the scramble for jobs meant that people needed to live near to where work was available. Time taken walking to and from work would extend an already long day beyond endurance.
Consequently available housing became scarce and therefore expensive, resulting in extremely overcrowded conditions"

"All these problems were magnified in London where the population grew at a record rate. Large houses were turned into flats and tenements and the landlords who owned them, were not concerned about the upkeep or the condition of these dwellings"

‘the poor were improvident, they wasted any money they had on drink and gambling’;

bristol_pilot

This will seem perfectly reasonable to everyone who works for a living and extremenly unreasonable to those who have not worked in three generations and who have plenty of free cash from the state for booze, ciggies, Sky TV etc. Downtrodden and oppressed is just how some people like to think of themselves.

careinthecommunity

WhiteHorse wrote: »

There never will be again, either.
The Industrial Revolution is continuing. Technology continues to advance and people become needed less and less. Add a rising population to that and there really is no way out.

i agree with you however slightly defeatist, in the long run people are still going to be needed for maintenance, R&D etc, there will be certain jobs that cannot be undertaken by technology, and once technology replaces those jobs different fields of work will become available

WhiteHorse wrote: »

Publicity hungry politicians and knee-jerk commentators talk of 'getting people back to work', but the jobs aren't there to start with. Make-work schemes, fiddles like raising the school leaving age or the creation of hundreds of bogus universities, only serve to briefly paper over the cracks.

what do you suggest then that nobody should even bother?

Shakethedisease

I guess there's a fine line between being defeatist and being realistic sometimes..:)

Permanent full-time jobs are thin on the ground. Especially for the unskilled. 0-hour contracts, temporary jobs, and part-time work are all realistic possibilities. But travelling 50 miles to and from a day to do them, may not be. And for those with children and childcare costs.. forget it.

Shakethedisease

bristol_pilot wrote: »

This will seem perfectly reasonable to everyone who works for a living and extremenly unreasonable to those who have not worked in three generations and who have plenty of free cash from the state for booze, ciggies, Sky TV etc. Downtrodden and oppressed is just how some people like to think of themselves.

As I said.. attitudes are still the same 110 years later..thanks for confirming.

the poor were improvident, they wasted any money they had on drink and gambling’;

careinthecommunity

PasturesNew wrote: »

It's an hour on the train, with a monthly season ticket at £91. I looked it up as there's a thread in DT about this.

Fact is, those people they are talking of don't have any special skills - and Cardiff's pay is quite low. So they'd be commuting for 1.5 hours, including the end bits of the journey, each way, each day, to be burger flippers at minimum wage.

There aren't the jobs there. I walked past one of the agencies once, big agency it was - two jobs in the window. And that was before things got really bad.

It might be a city, a capital, but unless you're a specialist in something, or have a degree, or work in the banking sector there doing something a bit more clever than admin, you'll be on minimum wage. No jobs, low pay.

so what do you suggest then? we keep the small market towns/villages in benefits until some business decides to locate some premises there, this in an age where the goverment aren't going to be spending money on infrastructure and the fact that businesses can find unskilled labour in any major city.

Shakethedisease

You've already been given numerous reasons why it isn't possible financially to relocate nor in many cases even 'commute' to ( for example) that part time job in Argos.

You've said a lot about defeatism, how about you inject some optimism and tell us what you would suggest that would go some way towards solving the problem ? And exactly how it IS possible

Not a personal dig btw.. just, well I'm stumped myself.