Labour Govt - waste of time

Ian_W

The midwifes the one who is up the duff in the first place ... the vet was an interesting distraction who came along half way through.

Oh do keep up, taxi!!

taxi97w

Ian_W wrote:

The midwifes the one who is up the duff in the first place ... the vet was an interesting distraction who came along half way through.

Oh do keep up, taxi!!

Oh i see. Please excuse the detour, it won't cost you extra, promise.

bel2310

Whambamboo you've mentioned a couple of grants I didn't know about, so thanks! Yes her tuition fees are paid, straight to unt and she gets a loan for accommodation which this year pays for halls with 300 per annum left. She is not at one of the "best" unis, so the other bursaries you mention are not available. She does not have a problem with the fact she has to pay off the loan, as you say she will hopefull be earning enough to keep me in the lap of luxury in my old age. My younger child is 12, and I am gradually increasing the hours I work as I said in my earlier post. I currently work monday to saturday in 3 different cleaning jobs, plus 3 days in a shop! At 50 high paid jobs are not easy to come by when you do not have any particular skills.
Neither my daughter nor I want to be scroungers, I was merely pointing out that the govt are patting themselves on the back about how much they are helping the less well off get an education and the reality is its not as easy as they imply.

barnaby-bear

bel2310 wrote:

Whambamboo you've mentioned a couple of grants I didn't know about, so thanks! Yes her tuition fees are paid, straight to unt and she gets a loan for accommodation which this year pays for halls with 300 per annum left. She is not at one of the "best" unis, so the other bursaries you mention are not available.

I guess he thought she must be there since for years there were only 6 places that do vet sci. and they are all oxbridge, royal college or trad. red brick
http://education.guardian.co.uk/universityguide2004/table/0,,1216919,00.html

I see however Middlesex has joined in - which I've never heard of... you learn something.

The bursaries/hardship grants are available to all vet/med students at all universities to account for more expensive text books and longer terms, clinical years.

bel2310

Nottingham is now doing vet science! Am now going to try and find out more about bursaries etc. And whambabmboo I cannot wait for the day when I can manage without any tax credits, and have NEVER received benefits.

jhxmt

As a recent graduate who is still in debt due to university tuition fees, accommodation etc, I have to say that while I feel some sympathy, I don't at all agree that it should be the government's job to bail them out of the supposed hole they're in.

What do they do during the university holidays? I'm assuming they work. If not, they should. No evening jobs due to concentrating on studying? Not even two nights a week? People doing Masters degrees can manage that!

I also have to grudgingly throw down on the side of the 'why did they have the child when they're in a financially untenable position' supporters.

So, as I say, I sympathise...but I don't necessarily agree.

Mrs_Optimist

Ditto most of the posts on this thread. My husband is a mature student, and has to pay all of his course fees (currently standing at £15k). I work part-time around the school hours so that I can drop off and collect our 2 children. We claim Tax credits but are not entitled to anything else. We have to pay full council tax, tax, NI etc as well as a mortgage and the usual bills the rest of you pay. If my husband was a woman he would have been entitled to have all his course fees paid, PLUS the tools for the trade (plumbing) would have been provided for free and he would have been paid to attend. We are ticked off about it, but at the end of the day it was our own choice for him to retrain to do something he loves doing. What does get my goat was that there was a programme about young mums on earlier in the week, and there was a couple with 5 - yes 5 children who claimed £1500 per month in benefits, which is more that we have to live on. They did not have to pay rent, council tax or school dinners. They were 19 and 21 and the father was unable to work because he suffered with arthritis (after he had fathered the children). He stated that he felt no shame in claiming benefits now because "he had always worked and paid taxes" - what? - from the ages of 16-21? Whoopiedoo. I am not slamming single parents, in fact I have a great deal of sympathy, but I do think that if you choose to bring children into this world then you should help at least, to support them. My husband and I as tax payers are not entitled to any financial assistance, and yet there are other members of society that think the country owes them a living. And before single parents shoot me down, I will again reiterate I am not having a go at you, just members of society that drain the system.

Mrs_Optimist

Further to the above vent, have just realised that this thread has nothing to do with Housebuying etc, so apologies in advance, just read the thread and had to post!!!

whambamboo

bel2310 wrote:

Nottingham is now doing vet science! Am now going to try and find out more about bursaries etc. And whambabmboo I cannot wait for the day when I can manage without any tax credits, and have NEVER received benefits.

tax credits *are* benefits. Nothing to be ashamed of, but they're definitely benefits, whatever the government calls them - you can get (a lot) more in tax credits than you actually pay in tax, so it's definitely a benefit.

Market_Oracle

whambamboo wrote:

tax credits *are* benefits. Nothing to be ashamed of, but they're definitely benefits, whatever the government calls them - you can get (a lot) more in tax credits than you actually pay in tax, so it's definitely a benefit.

Its an incentive to get people off benefits and into work, effectively a subsidy to employers.

See Labours not all bad for big business