Traffic Law? Information needed please

rooster11

kwaks wrote: »

Wow, this a troll attempt or someone who really is that green!

I have been stopped NUMEROUS times for no reason, other than the bike I am riding or the car I am driving. However I have the right attitude and enough knowledge to not have been "fitted up".

To the OP, does this particular set of solid lines have throwbacks before it?

Do you mean chevrons?

pompeyrich

rooster11 wrote: »

Do you mean chevrons?

Could be chevrons, a traffic island or most likely those curved arrows painted on the road to indicate a solid white line ahead.

rooster11

pompeyrich wrote: »

Could be chevrons, a traffic island or most likely those curved arrows painted on the road to indicate a solid white line ahead.

There is no solid white line for several hundred yards and there is no way that the officer could have seen my dad driving over a white line as the view from the top of the hill is impossible! If anyone wants to view it then please do just so i'm not the only one who thinks this.

The only solid white line starts at the West Overton sign... Which you cannot see from the top of the hill! Not only was it dark at 6.ooam there are hedgerows that run the whole length of this road!

That is where the officer claims he saw my dad from - He must have been wearing his xray visions.... As it is impossible to see....

Gavin83

rooster11 wrote: »

Like i said - My father is a law abiding citizen and of course i believe him! No i was not there i am simply asking for info on behalf of my father.

Why do people always have to be negative for no reason?

Why get involved in a thread if your just going to slate......? Really rude if u ask me....

He's not slating, he is just offering another perspective. It really annoys me when a topic poster takes offense when others don't agree with them.

At the end of the day, you weren't there so don't know what happened. It is entirely possible your father made a mistake and wasn't aware of it, someone in the trade or an elderly person (sorry, don't know how old your dad is) may be a little more stubborn to this.

On the other side of the coin, I don't believe the policeman would have pulled him over for the sake of it but it's entirely possible he could have made a mistake too. I think a lot of people in this thread are forgetting that police aren't superhuman and are quite capable of the same errors as us normal folk.

As unfair as it is though, as there is no video evidence supporting either party I can see the court siding with the police in this instance. It's also likely he'll receive a greater penalty than if he'd just taken a ticket at the roadside and frankly seeing as he is in the motoring trade it would have been more sensible just to take a fine. Not only will it now affect his licence, it could well affect his career.

rooster11

Gavin83 wrote: »

He's not slating, he is just offering another perspective. It really annoys me when a topic poster takes offense when others don't agree with them.

At the end of the day, you weren't there so don't know what happened. It is entirely possible your father made a mistake and wasn't aware of it, someone in the trade or an elderly person (sorry, don't know how old your dad is) may be a little more stubborn to this.

On the other side of the coin, I don't believe the policeman would have pulled him over for the sake of it but it's entirely possible he could have made a mistake too. I think a lot of people in this thread are forgetting that police aren't superhuman and are quite capable of the same errors as us normal folk.

As unfair as it is though, as there is no video evidence supporting either party I can see the court siding with the police in this instance. It's also likely he'll receive a greater penalty than if he'd just taken a ticket at the roadside and frankly seeing as he is in the motoring trade it would have been more sensible just to take a fine. Not only will it now affect his licence, it could well affect his career.

Well i'm kind of suprised that you would say this -

If it was me i would simply ask the officer to support his accusations but until he could i think "innocent until proven guilty" comes into play.

I would not take a ticket for something i never did, I would not take the blame for someone elses mistakes, So why should my father?

Like you said Police are not superhuman and yes in my opinion DO make mistakes also.

We forget this on many occasions and let things slide because they are an authoritive figure and we wouldnt want to be seen as "typical attitude to the law" but like i said if you knew that you had not committed a crime would you take a punishment for it?

alleycat`

If it was me i'd go to where the officer in question says he was (when your dad committed the "offence").
Go out at that time of day with cameras.
Take loads of photos from where the officer is stating he was sat and see what it looks like.

If you can see the solid white line in the pictures (i'm not talking telephoto zoom obviously) then the benefit of the doubt goes to the officer.

If not you have your evidence to fight the case.

You could also do the same with a video camera mounted in a car of similar height (to the officers line of vision) and see at what point the line becomes obvious and visible.

It might show your dad is wrong also.
I'm not saying he is but be prepared for that possible outcome too.

hartcjhart

he is driving at 60mph,that is a mile a minute a quarter of a mile in 15seconds,yes of course he could have crossed the line

pompeyrich

rooster11 wrote: »

There is no solid white line for several hundred yards and there is no way that the officer could have seen my dad driving over a white line as the view from the top of the hill is impossible! If anyone wants to view it then please do just so i'm not the only one who thinks this.

The only solid white line starts at the West Overton sign... Which you cannot see from the top of the hill! Not only was it dark at 6.ooam there are hedgerows that run the whole length of this road!

That is where the officer claims he saw my dad from - He must have been wearing his xray visions.... As it is impossible to see....

I'm not disputing your, or rather your dad's version of events, merely pointing out that white lines have to be preceded by some sort of warning, usually a curved arrow on the road, pointing to the left, or some other means of guiding a driver to the left side of a solid line possibly chevrons, a traffic island/bollard or similar.

Stick a similar post on PEPIPOOas there is more chance of success on incorrect signs/warnings than a straight did he didn't he arguement. I was convicted on the word of a woman who was talking to her friend, heard a crash, turned round and drew her own assumptions on what had happened, she didn't see the learner driver fail to stop and force me to swerve into a parked car, she just assumed I had mis judged the gap. The magistrates found me guilty of careless driving on her word against mine, so I really believe, however hard it is to accept, that they are going to take a policemans word over your dads all day long. Sorry but thats how our system works, not right but better than some regimes.

rooster11

hartcjhart wrote: »

he is driving at 60mph,that is a mile a minute a quarter of a mile in 15seconds,yes of course he could have crossed the line

Not from where he started overtaking?!

I appreciate people find it hard to believe that sometimes the police are wrong and i just think that on this occasion that might just be the case!

There are arrows pointing to the left indicating solid white lines (chevrons) And in my opinion from where the officer claimed to have seen my father cross the line - It is impossible to see from that angle as it curves round to the left also....

Never mind i shall give my father the info and it's his call as to wether he takes it forward or not.

Thanks everyone!

Stigy

Was he reported by the Police Officer, or was he given a Fixed Penalty Notice? If he was given an FPN (Not sure if this offence would fall within such realms though...) he would have had to admit the offence for it to be feasable, otherwise you might as well report straight for summons! My point is, all FPN/PND appeals are heard at a Magistrate's Court, and one has to as whether appealing is worth the potential of extra costs should your dad be found guilty!