Huge student fees to limit house prices further?

FTBFun

ILW wrote: »

We may see a situation where all the graduates are living in grotty little rented flats, whilst all the decent places are being snapped by by people who left school at 16 and got on with earning a living.

Doctors eh?

Give me a good old barber-surgeon anyday.

olly300

jamespmg44 wrote: »

Not sure what the UCAS system is like now, but when I applied over a decade ago different courses had different requirements - eg Law, Medicine, Engineering all required AAAAB at higher or better.

So for worthwhile degrees there already is a criteria that you say would disadvantage pupils from poorer schools....

Requirements for degree courses tend to depend on how over subscribed the course is - so lots of scientific and engineering courses have lower entrance requirements due to most home student not wanting to study them. They are also the courses that often have places at clearing

Universities still set different entrance requirements for students they think have gone to poorer schools or have come from a deprived background regardless of the degree subject.

This means they can require one pupil they think comes from a good middle class background to get an AAA to get on to a degree but require another pupil they think comes from a deprived background to get lower grades.

I'm a aware of a few students who have got on to the local medical degree course with lower grades, and other students who have gone to old type universities to do traditional subjects with lower grades.

So simply stating that you have to get BBB to get onto any university course won't work.

olly300

Lokolo wrote: »

Who said I want to be a games programmer as a career?

Don't argue with the troll who clearly doesn't know how adaptable the skills learnt on a Games degree are.

olly300

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

How old do you think people will stay at home on average before they move out to a place of their own?

One presumption in this is that parents will allow their children to live with them.

I couldn't live with my parents after university and quite a few people I know couldn't for different reasons including death, divorce, parents downsizing their houses, parents moving aboard or parents living in a completely rural location with very few jobs.

Lokolo

olly300 wrote: »

Requirements for degree courses tend to depend on how over subscribed the course is - so lots of scientific and engineering courses have lower entrance requirements due to most home student not wanting to study them. They are also the courses that often have places at clearing

Universities still set different entrance requirements for students they think have gone to poorer schools or have come from a deprived background regardless of the degree subject.

This means they can require one pupil they think comes from a good middle class background to get an AAA to get on to a degree but require another pupil they think comes from a deprived background to get lower grades.

I'm a aware of a few students who have got on to the local medical degree course with lower grades, and other students who have gone to old type universities to do traditional subjects with lower grades.

So simply stating that you have to get BBB to get onto any university course won't work.

This is true for my course. The requirements are CCC I think? The dropout rate is around 50% year on year (we had around 60 Year 1, now 20 in final year). The course is heavily involved with Maths, and a lot of the maths we use is A Level, and in the class of 20, only around half of us (max) actually did A Level Math.

The course can handle large amounts of students and I doubt the course would have many students if it asked, for example, for a B in A Level Maths or higher grades. I think the majority of high graders will only look at the top 30 or so universities.

IveSeenTheLight

olly300 wrote: »

One presumption in this is that parents will allow their children to live with them.

I couldn't live with my parents after university and quite a few people I know couldn't for different reasons including death, divorce, parents downsizing their houses, parents moving aboard or parents living in a completely rural location with very few jobs.

Totally agree which was my point in that they would likely be adding to the rental demand for longer

blueboy43

I'd like to know how plenty of private schools can educate children for less than say 10k a year (ok not your Harrows & Etons, but say Manchester Grammar) with small class sizes teaching kids for say 30 odd hours a week, 36 weeks a year, when it seemingly costs £7k to educate graduates in some subjects with little contact time each week, or lectures with several hundred people in them.

I'm not talking about Oxford or intensive subjects like medicine or engineering, but how can the second & third tier of Universities think they are providing say £7k worth of value.

careinthecommunity

olly300 wrote: »

It shouldn't be the only entry screening requirement which it isn't now.

Middle class children have parents who ensure that:
1. They go to schools/colleges that teach the entire A level syllabus to a good standard.
2. They go to schools/colleges that show them how to write their UCAS form, or they will know someone who will tell them basically what to write.
3. Money to spend on the right ex-curricular activities to help them get into university and onto the course they want.
4. Money to spend on extra tuition and equipment if it's needed

Hence when they apply and get into university they immediately have an advantage.

So a simple constrain on secondary education disadvantages poorer students who go to poor schools.

Yes we should churn out less degree students in subjects like photography but tuition fees has already made students think about what subjects they should take.

i do agree with what you are saying however i think the 2 points i highlighted are are a contributing and slightly contradicting factor,
can you point to a decline in the non academic subjects since tution fees have been introduced [such as media studies, photography] as
there seems to be a lot of parents out there that think [uni == greater job prospects] therefore will fund accordingly, i think the problem at the minute is from a top down aproach, however there are already not enough high income jobs for everyone leaving university and there are a lot of dishartent post grads.. peer pressure will have an impact on the younger generation which in turn will have an impact on less students, students moving away which equals less demand == lower rents == lower yields == lower house prices

think i am waffleing but who cares

neverdespairgirl

The_White_Horse wrote: »

what is the point of a degree if everyone has one?

You could ask what is the point of a primary school education (or literacy) if everyone has one.

neverdespairgirl

Lokolo wrote: »

Please explain? So confused by this. (I am a little hungover though... )

Well, in your message criticising those who are unaware of the their / they're / there distinction, you yourself used "less" when you meant fewer - and thereby stumbled over my bête noire (-: