Help with buying a wood burning stove!

hethmar

welda wrote: »

A little knowledge is dangerous when advising what stoves to avoid. :beer:

Im not sure if 30 years experience and literally thousands of installations counts as "a little knowledge" welda! Have you more than that then?

Ah no, I see you have installed one and a Villager at that!:T

welda

As I stated, I certainly see nothing wrong with villager, my first stove, including first instal, I didn,t seek advice, I made my own judgement through research and no complaints from me. I find it hard to understand why people knock British made goods, whatdoes not suit you, may suit someone else.

I don,t do stoves, except my own, I,m too busy creating our next generation engineers for my sins.............

hethmar

And as I pointed out, its not a case of what does not suit us, but 30 years and thousands of installations worth of experience.

The original recommendation to avoid was not addressed to you, but general info.

My OH has also spent most of his life training up the next generation of engineers so I think the "little knowledge" jibe was really incorrect.

I rest my case. And now I MUST get on with some survey reports, up to our eyes at this time of year.

welda

hethmar wrote: »

I rest my case. And now I MUST get on with some survey reports, up to our eyes at this time of year.

I recal last time you made the above statement, I don;t think you would have got many reports done that night, anyways, it wiznae me, I rest my case too, tme for another wine, don,t work too hard :beer:

Ps, I forgot to add, your "general info is wrong", certainly from my point of view villager is a good British made purchase!

A._Badger

welda wrote: »

I recal last time you made the above statement, I don;t think you would have got many reports done that night, anyways, it wiznae me, I rest my case too, tme for another wine, don,t work too hard :beer:

Ps, I forgot to add, your "general info is wrong", certainly from my point of view villager is a good British made purchase!

I'm amused by this supposed '30 years experience' . At best, it's 30 years experience selling and installing stoves which, unless they go wrong, retailers and installers rarely see again, so have little idea how well they work, or how they compare in practice with brands they don't sell. Nor am I impressed with tales of stoves made 20 years ago on which current prejudices are based.

Having done the rounds of stove retailers in my area of the country (Kent, Surrey and Sussex) twice in recent years when buying stoves, I lost count of the different, conflicting, stories I was spun. One retailer telling me never to touch Brand X but to buy Brand A, the next telling me Brand X was the only one worth having, but Brand A was 'made in China/India these days' (a favourite line, that one - and said to me about both some British and Scandinavian 'luxury' stoves - the latter in the context of recycled cast iron).

People need to make up their own minds and do their own research, including research among people who actually live with their stoves and use them day in, day out. That's one of the reasons I often suggest looking at whatstove.co.uk and not being swayed too much by internet gurus who seem to populate these forums, for whatever reasons. As I've said before, I also think sweeps often have a huge repository of impartial practical knowledge and experience.

Let's put it this way, certainly, if I were buying a new car, I'd listen to a salesman. But I'd take a lot more notice of owners and the people who work on them day by day.

hethmar

welda wrote: »

Ps, I forgot to add, your "general info is wrong", certainly from my point of view villager is a good British made purchase!

And because you like this model doesnt mean that I (and CRPhillips) are wrong welda: just that you havent seen any others working or commisioned and operated them - certainly not in the thousands like we (and CRPhillips) have. May be Id be more impressed by your opinion on welding equipment as I assume you have used more than one type. You arent A Badger under another name are you?

The most times we have heard customer complaints about stoves (and usually not the models we have fitted as we tend to do the models in the middle/upper end of the market) have been about Aarrow and Villager. We have removed a number of those and replaced them with better ones. But to be honest, it really doesnt matter to us. We dont sell stoves, only fit so have no axe to grind about low cost models which along with the chinese ones seem to be the DIYers stoves of choice. So my opinion was unbiased and meant to be helpful to those still contemplating which stove to purchase.

And we are now booking into late January And I just type the surveys now, not carry them out LOL, sadly I get drawn to all sorts of forums as I do so. Last night I was still typing at 1 a.m. Poor OH is the one out from 7 a.m til 8 p.m. 7 days a week at this time of year, along with son.

dollydolittle_2

Just about to sell my soul for a Morso 6140 which would look wonderful in my icebox of a living room, then checked on whatstove and there are two reviews, and one isn't very good at all.

I don't know what to do, hubby is saying to just ignore it because Morso wouldn't make a bad stove and the reviewer probably wasn't using it properly, but I do need to be sure it will give out the 5.5kw it promises as we would be using it at max most of the time -and the door warping thing is really scary.

Anyone any experience of this stove and any comments on how to interpret the review?

Also, the supplier said that it can't be swept through the stove so the flue has to have an access point. Is this normal for cylindrical type stoves?

welda

Ah, so your a pen pusher with trillions of stove install experience, and your good hubby and son do the reql graft, I was right with my previous quote "a little knowledge is dangerous" I,ll stick with this as you have no hands on experience eh!

Me and A Badger the same folks, I think not, although Mr B does know his stoves, you can,t beat good old self research, make a choice, make the purchase and, if it goes pear shape, then one is more the wiser. You keep mentioning MR CRP is there some kind of colusion going on to knock good old British made goods, or perhaps you guys share commisions, frankly, you start lose the arguement when you mention others with the hope they will back up your little knowledge.

I,m surprised non of the stove manufacturers have asked for your IP number, I think some of the bad stuff you mouth/type off about well made British stoves is wrong, could prove costy constantly belittling hard pushed British manufacturers. I,ve mentioned numerous times my reasons for my purchase, please do not sterio type me for buying cheap, my purchase was not cheap, more mid range-ish?

Regarding welding equipment, I have no preference with make, a good welder will prouce quality welds no matter the maker, stoves must be similar, its all down to how one works it, although this will depend on who does the install, HETAS registerd or not.

I am sincerely pleased you guys are busy though, not easy out there at the mo!!!!

Cheers:beer:
Ps, excuse any typos, using an azerty key laptop

welda

dollydolittle wrote: »

Just about to sell my soul for a Morso 6140 which would look wonderful in my icebox of a living room, then checked on whatstove and there are two reviews, and one isn't very good at all.

I don't know what to do, hubby is saying to just ignore it because Morso wouldn't make a bad stove and the reviewer probably wasn't using it properly, but I do need to be sure it will give out the 5.5kw it promises as we would be using it at max most of the time -and the door warping thing is really scary.

Anyone any experience of this stove and any comments on how to interpret the review?

Also, the supplier said that it can't be swept through the stove so the flue has to have an access point. Is this normal for cylindrical type stoves?

Personaly I wouldn,t put much faith in first review, probably a seller tarting it up as th best thing since sliced bread!!

What really set my alarm bell ringing is the statment of "thinking about installing same in sunlounge" maybe this was a typo and should have read sauna?

Door warping would concern me, especially if warping got so bad that window shattered, shudder to think what could happen if set on slumber and you were in bed sleeping :eek:

Final point, look like my stainless rubbish bin in my kitchen, bad omen eh

dollydolittle_2

I really feel like giving up. It shouldn't be this difficult, but getting good advice, not to mention finding a builder and installer I can trust, is near impossible. we've wasted whole weekends visiting stove shops and yet I'm no nearer; I just can't risk spending 3k and getting it wrong and I don't know enough people round here to go by recommendation. Looks like we'll be spending the winter under the duvet (again).

btw I like the look of this Morso, it would fit well in this room and the proportions would work better than a boxy country type stove - which would look out of place as the house is very modern. It's the function I need comments on, not my taste, which is impeccable, I'll have you know!;)

So, despite the giving up, if anyone does have any experience of this or other cylindrical type stoves, I'd be very interested to hear what you think.