Liverpool Football Club

Rainmaker_uk

Stop blaming the manager (past and present) and the players. It goes deeper than this...

The reason we are in the trouble we are in is due to the terrible position the owners have put us in financially, structurally and emotionally.

These vultures need to be frightened away from the rotting corpse that is Liverpool so that we the fans can breathe new life in to our once vibrant club.

Liverpool FC is too important to the city, it's people and football's heritage to allow this to go on.

There is a new song out now

March of the Sons of Anfield:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngyb0RlnHnU

Can also be downloaded from iTunes:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/march-sons-anfield-single/id377170464

YNWA

mynameisdave

whatmichaelsays wrote: »

previous chairmen backed Rafa to the hilt. He simply chose to chuck it down the drain on muppets and underperformers like Glen Johnson, Dirk Kuyt, Alberto Aquilani, Alberto Riera, Robbie Keane, David Ngog, Jermaine Pennant, Josemi....need I go on?

While a lot of those players were poor, Rafa has a new spend comparible to Utd, and well below Chelsea, and I was under the impression it wasn't really his desire to sign Keane - that was the owners.

mynameisdave

Rainmaker_uk wrote: »

Stop blaming the manager (past and present) and the players. It goes deeper than this...

I disagree. The owner issue is a complete smokescreen to the fact that there are too many players with too little talent and too little passion.

They kleep harping on about needing confidence to get a run going. They won't get a win to start the run without desire. And too many of them dont care.

Rookieboy

The owners are a problem but you can't blame it soley on them. Rafe spent money and from memory roughly brought in 70-80 players in his time there. The players who stepped out against northampton and blackpool weren't affect by the owners. Glen Johnson didn't make a stupid challenge and give away a penalty cos of the owners. The manager and the players are to blame, and rafa built the current team/mess of a squad. Manchester United are in bigger debt than Liverpool but it hasn't forced them into the relegation zone. Alex Ferguson is wiser than that. On a lower level, Cardiff City are in huge debt but they're still doing well on the pitch and look like getting promotion.
It's Rafa's bad management, face it. Check this list of buys

Josemi
Antonio Nunez
Mark Gonzalez
Jan Kromkamp
N. El Zhar
A. Voronin
Jermaine Pennant
Lucas
D. Plessis
E. Insua
C. Itandje
Ryan Babel
A. Dossena
P. Degan
Robbie Keane
Albert Riera
Glen Johnson
A. Aquilani

Shockingly bad

stugib

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I'm astonished you can't see the irony in laughing at our plight whilst having a 'Glazers Out' sig. Or maybe you were previously a Norwich supporter and just didn't know what to do with your scarf?

You're 1-2 years away from being in the position we're in now.

Jeff_Bridges_hair

Rainmaker_uk wrote: »

Stop blaming the manager (past and present) and the players. It goes deeper than this...

The reason we are in the trouble we are in is due to the terrible position the owners have put us in financially, structurally and emotionally.

These vultures need to be frightened away from the rotting corpse that is Liverpool so that we the fans can breathe new life in to our once vibrant club.

Liverpool FC is too important to the city, it's people and football's heritage to allow this to go on.

There is a new song out now

March of the Sons of Anfield:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngyb0RlnHnU

Can also be downloaded from iTunes:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/march-sons-anfield-single/id377170464

YNWA

The problem is is that when the yanks came and bought you - After many years of you singing about the mancs having Yank owners - you all got a little giddy about their plans and then thought they would do you some good. They happened to spend a fortune through backing Benitez and his shoddy shoddy signings so yes, you can and should blame past and present managers.

You should also be blasting your half arsed players who do not seem to want to play football anymore.

mind im so glad it is happening to Liverpool - never have i ever detested a team and its fans like yours.

stugib

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

They happened to spend a fortune through backing Benitez and his shoddy shoddy signings

I'd agree Benitez made some bad buys with the outlays he made, but overall the owners have spent the square root of f.all - we've made a profit in the last three transfer windows, whilst the owners have siphoned off £40M for stadium plans (yes, that's *plans* not any building work) and RBS have taken their £60M+ pieces of flesh in interest and penalties.

bosseyed

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

mind im so glad it is happening to Liverpool - never have i ever detested a team and its fans like yours.

:rotfl: I don't see how you can detest the fans, we're not all one homogenous kop loving entity.

Have to say though, despite being a fan, I don't particularly like the team much either these days, full of average can't be bothereds who stumble about the pitch with little enthusiasm week in week out playing unattractive football with zero spark.

I think the ownership issue will be filtering down onto the pitch to an extent and ultimately its rafa who put together the dismal team we have now - but the players have to shoulder some of the responsibility, the dressing room tactics and canny buys of the manager will only take you so far if you can't perform on the pitch.

Perhaps relegation is the best thing, give the club a good old shake up, lose the dead wood and start the climb to the top again with a batch of players who can grow with the club and who seem to want to play football :eek:

stugib

bosseyed wrote: »

ultimately its rafa who put together the dismal team we have now

Much the same team, bar Alonso, that finished second and should've won it the season before last? Don't see how any team including Reina, Agger, Gerrard and Torres can be classed as dismal. The players should be doing better regardless of what's going on, but the key issues are getting rid of the parasitical owners and then finding a manager who doesn't see mediocrity as a job well done. If anything its the expectations that are filtering down to the players.

bosseyed wrote: »

Perhaps relegation is the best thing, give the club a good old shake up

Yeah why the hell not, let's lose all the good players we have and give Hodgson the money to buy some more Fulham players :huh:

Jeff_Bridges_hair

bosseyed wrote: »

:rotfl: I don't see how you can detest the fans, we're not all one homogenous kop loving entity.

Have to say though, despite being a fan, I don't particularly like the team much either these days, full of average can't be bothereds who stumble about the pitch with little enthusiasm week in week out playing unattractive football with zero spark.

I think the ownership issue will be filtering down onto the pitch to an extent and ultimately its rafa who put together the dismal team we have now - but the players have to shoulder some of the responsibility, the dressing room tactics and canny buys of the manager will only take you so far if you can't perform on the pitch.

Perhaps relegation is the best thing, give the club a good old shake up, lose the dead wood and start the climb to the top again with a batch of players who can grow with the club and who seem to want to play football :eek:

Really? all i have ever heard from smug scouse fans is about 'Their history' and how no one will match it.. And i know quite a few of em.

Thats great you have a history and you have done extremely well but to have it rammed down peoples throats in every conversation about football - especially when they are on the losing end of a discussion. just ranks of bad smelly cacks.