OMG son's Landlord has just threatened violence!

neas

tbs624 wrote: »

It's also a condition of being able to lawfully demand rent that a LLs supplies his address - OP has posted that they do not have the address, so no rent actually due until it *is* supplied to T and guarantor. See extract from statute, in post 8.

Also, hard for a T to always pay rent on time if they are dependent on physical presence of LL to be able to make that rent payment.

LL does seem to have tried to be helpful earlier on by allowing the deposit to be used as rent though : not something that I would have agreed to.

Do hope that LL dealt with it all properly though, by scheme registering the deposit, giving the T the prescribed info and then both parties applying to the scheme for the deposit to be released in lieu of rent........unless he has good paperwork, if he gave the Ts a receipt specifically for their tenancy deposit and didn't register the deposit, then he may find that a s21 route is closed to him atm

There is no deposit... landlord used it for 1st move rent... i.e. no deposit. At least thats how i read it.

sal-ad_daze

Update:
Whilst waiting for the police visit yesterday I rang Shelter for some advice and they were very helpful. They told me that the landlord had acted illegaly by using the deposit for a month's rent as by law he should have put it into one of the schemes so we are entitled to take him to civil court regarding this and we could get the deposit back and even compensation.
He's demanding two months rent plus one month for lack of notice (ds insists he only owes one month but with no paperwork who'll believe him).
Shelter also explained about illegal evection (which is what will happen if he changes the locks like he's threatened to).
The Police finally arrived this morning and she kept saying that it wasn't anything to do with them, I had to insist that what he was doing was illegal and they could do something about it. She said that the threats were basically his word against ds's so the crown prosecution probably wouldn't take it to court. We said we didn't necessarily want him taken to court we just wanted him out of our lives. I pointed out that we were entitled to take him to civil court and if the judge found in our favour he would end up paying us more than ds owed him so could we just call it quits (not that I think he would)? I had to repeat this a number of times before the officer took it in. She took his mobile number and said she'd speak to him, we're now waiting for her to ring back.
To top it all, his flatmate has decided he's staying on! Even though he was shaking like a leaf when the landlord turned up on Tuesday evening when they'd gone back to get some of their valuable stuff incase he did turn up the following morning as he'd threatened. He's staying on and the landlord is going to find him a flatmate!!!!
We're just waiting to see what the police say.

Gwhiz

Something just does not add up here. You say in your OP that:

sal-ad_daze wrote: »

He's already previously threatened son's flatmate by threatening to throw him off the balcony.

and now the flatmate wants to stay???????

Does not compute!!!!!

There is more to this than meets the eye! Either you're not giving us all the facts or your son is not telling you the whole story!

Stowmum_2

If i was you i would get my son and grand daughter out of there and then ring the police i wouldnt chance letting him stay there with the fact he may be back at 5pm! x

Stowmum_2

Gwhiz wrote: »

Something just does not add up here. You say in your OP that:



and now the flatmate wants to stay???????

Does not compute!!!!!

There is more to this than meets the eye! Either you're not giving us all the facts or your son is not telling you the whole story!

I agree now ive just read the PP why would anyone want to stay there when his being treated like that x

shellsuit

Oh Sal that's awful!

I hope they get sorted out ~ what a horrible brute that landlord is x

sal-ad_daze

Gwhiz wrote: »

Something just does not add up here. You say in your OP that:



and now the flatmate wants to stay???????

Does not compute!!!!!

There is more to this than meets the eye! Either you're not giving us all the facts or your son is not telling you the whole story!

We don't understand either!
My son says that when the landlord turned up on Tuesday evening his flatmate was literally shaking and was looking for his baseball bat! Although he decided to stay at the flat when son came home later, even though he knew the landlord was coming back the next day.
We don't know what was said between the two when the landlord came back but son got a text to say the flatmate had paid his rent and was staying - and the landlord was going to sort out a flatmate for him!
All I can say is (and please don't take this the wrong way) flatmate is on the autistic spectrum and sometimes doesn't see things the way others do. He is exceptionally clever but lives in his own world, he and my son went through school together so know each other well.
My son is going back tomorrow to empty the flat (surmising LL doesn't change the locks meantime) and maybe will find out a little more when he talks to his friend face to face.

Stowmum_2

Hope you get things sorted. x

neas

sal-ad_daze wrote: »

Update:
Whilst waiting for the police visit yesterday I rang Shelter for some advice and they were very helpful. They told me that the landlord had acted illegaly by using the deposit for a month's rent as by law he should have put it into one of the schemes so we are entitled to take him to civil court regarding this and we could get the deposit back and even compensation.
.

Can you clarify this please? You see theres two different situations here:

1. Son has no money and landlord says use what normally would be your deposit as the first months rent. Son continues to pay rent in the 2nd month... thereby meaning the first month rent was paid with what normally was the deposit. The end result is that your son did not pay a deposit at all and the landlord helped him out significantly... as normally you need deposit and rent.

2. Son has no money and landlord says use what normally would be your deposit as the first month rent. Son continuies to pay rent in 2nd month but at some point later pays up the deposit. End result is that your son was given extra time to find the deposit money.


I fail to see how any court would award your son 'any' money in situation 1 ... as frankly there is no deposit as the money paid were used for rent (unusual situation.. but in your sons advantage).

Also things dont add up... I would really question what your son is telling you... if things were as bad as you desribed them... ergo my original point (dont always believe one sided stories.. often are not unbiased and leave things out and exaggerate other things) that the son and flatmate would've changed locks.. handed in notice, paid up what they legally owed and moved out.

Except now the other flatmate is staying... more than likely someone is telling their mother fibs. Do you have any physical evidence of landlords behaviour other than your sons word? Does other flatmate say same thing? Or you just hearing this from your son?

neas

sal-ad_daze wrote: »

We don't understand either!
My son says that when the landlord turned up on Tuesday evening his flatmate was literally shaking and was looking for his baseball bat! Although he decided to stay at the flat when son came home later, even though he knew the landlord was coming back the next day.
We don't know what was said between the two when the landlord came back but son got a text to say the flatmate had paid his rent and was staying - and the landlord was going to sort out a flatmate for him!
All I can say is (and please don't take this the wrong way) flatmate is on the autistic spectrum and sometimes doesn't see things the way others do. He is exceptionally clever but lives in his own world, he and my son went through school together so know each other well.
My son is going back tomorrow to empty the flat (surmising LL doesn't change the locks meantime) and maybe will find out a little more when he talks to his friend face to face.

See points highligted... are you sure this is 100% fact? and not just your son blaming it on friends autism? What about sons friends mum/dad? How much of this story have you heard from someone other than your son?