OMG son's Landlord has just threatened violence!

barneygumble

But owing money is technically not right either. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Rainmaker_uk

mustrum_ridcully wrote: »

Yes but rainmaker_uk wants to play at being an amateur landlord (they've mentioned wanting to get a BTL) and I guess isn't aware of all the legal responsibilities a LL has... https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/37024718#Comment_37024718

Correct but I will do research before I go into it. This is not about me - rather pointless and silly to try and make it so...

I am just trying to address the balance here as everyone seems very quick to the defence of people who do not pay. Be it rent or other commitments they agree to.

I did not defend the alleged threat of violence however as Neas's good post said there are two sides and the OP is not in the right - neither is the LL in this case...

I believe in personal responsibilty in life and trying to see things from both sides...

Something I think a few more people would benefit from.

Rainmaker_uk

poppysarah wrote: »

Owing money doesn't mean you should be threated and abused.


You're bang out of order if you think that.

Did you even read my post. At no point did I say it was ok - in fact I said it was not ok that he allegedly threatened the son...

Get your facts right.

neas

I think the point is thaty there are a few seperate 'entangled issues' here.


1. Landlord is being violent - this is a criminal matter and should involve police

2. Your son and his mate haven't been fulfilling obligation and paying rent - Solution here is to pay rent on time or for you as his gurantor to fulfil your obligation and pay on his behalf.. until he gets the money back to you. It was the condition for renting.

3. Landlord taking cash - This could be legitimate but does smell fishy. Potentially landlord could be not declaring tax... but again this is independent of number 1 and 2..

4. Landlord right and tenants rights - Landlord cant kick tenants out even if they been late. He will have to go to courts and incur costs to do so. Although you son stating there with his child wont be comfortable.


If you seperate each item out then maybe you can remedy each one individually.

I.e.

1. Call Police, record all violent behaviour

2. Be prepared to cover sons rent and contact flatmates gurantor so you both clear their arrears and diffuse situation. Frankly as gurantors things shouldn't have got so bad as they have.

3. Check contracts and potentially contact HMRC to shop him. Although this may cause your son more grieve while he lives there.

4. Change barrel locks as suggested and remain calm and friendly to landlord as people getting irate with one another won't sort thnings out. Also a repayment plan instead and landlord will most likely calm down. He is annoyed that he is out of pocket and powerless to get it... worse than when someone steals your handbag.. as you dont usually carry a couple of thousand pounds are ywith you do you?


And regarding the truth and one-sideness... everyone does it and everyone omits things they dont think will aid their point of view.... especially sons talking to their mothers. Whether or not this is the case who knows... its all im saying is i beklieve theres more to this than been said.

sal-ad_daze

Can I just clarify that there are no rent arrears at the moment, or at least there weren't the rent was due to be paid yesterday.
The 12 month contract ran out at the beginning of September so they/he no longer have a contract.
I am not here to dispute the monetary side of the agreement, I was asking for advice regarding the landlords unacceptable behaviour.

maninthestreet

OP - the landlord is bang out of order, as other people have said, and may well get his collar felt by the police. Have you considered assisting your son so that the rent is paid no time, and then he can repay you when he gets the money???

tbs624

sal-ad_daze wrote: »

Can I just clarify that there are no rent arrears at the moment, or at least there weren't the rent was due to be paid yesterday.

That's good, although see post 8 ref LL's address, or lack thereof

sal-ad_daze wrote: »

The 12 month contract ran out at the beginning of September so they/he no longer have a contract.

Yes they *do* - by remaining in occupation of the property they are now under a statutory periodic agreement where all the terms of the previous fixed term apply , except for "determination", ie how and when the tenancy will end. ( one month notice from T, 2 from LL, both times to coincide with rental period)

sal-ad_daze wrote: »

I am not here to dispute the monetary side of the agreement, I was asking for advice regarding the landlords unacceptable behaviour.

If you use a public forum you have to accept that you will get posts which you may not find helpful

neas

sal-ad_daze wrote: »

Can I just clarify that there are no rent arrears at the moment, or at least there weren't the rent was due to be paid yesterday.
The 12 month contract ran out at the beginning of September so they/he no longer have a contract.
I am not here to dispute the monetary side of the agreement, I was asking for advice regarding the landlords unacceptable behaviour.

They have a 'rolling' 1 month contract whereby they have to give 1 month notice and landlord must give 2 month notice to vacate. And i believe you will still be guarntor.

Normally theres a deposit but i recall you saying there is no deposit (kind of landlord).

hermum

Your council should be high on your son's priorities, they take harrassment & or illegal eviction seriously. He could speak to the housing advice team as they should also deal with this. Shelter will also give advice.

tbs624

neas wrote: »

...2. Your son and his mate haven't been fulfilling obligation and paying rent - Solution here is to pay rent on time or for you as his gurantor to fulfil your obligation and pay on his behalf.. until he gets the money back to you. It was the condition for renting.

It's also a condition of being able to lawfully demand rent that a LLs supplies his address - OP has posted that they do not have the address, so no rent actually due until it *is* supplied to T and guarantor. See extract from statute, in post 8.

Also, hard for a T to always pay rent on time if they are dependent on physical presence of LL to be able to make that rent payment.

LL does seem to have tried to be helpful earlier on by allowing the deposit to be used as rent though : not something that I would have agreed to.

Do hope that LL dealt with it all properly though, by scheme registering the deposit, giving the T the prescribed info and then both parties applying to the scheme for the deposit to be released in lieu of rent........unless he has good paperwork, if he gave the Ts a receipt specifically for their tenancy deposit and didn't register the deposit, then he may find that a s21 route is closed to him atm