Scapegoating Landlords ?

madeupname1

ess0two wrote: »

The big beef in here..............LL's are scum and prevent people from owning property as they buy it all up.


Simples....

This is the crux of the issue. Some people here see the mere act of being a landlord as being immoral so there is little point in putting forward a landlord point of view on this site.

tbs624

clutton wrote: »

....and threads on here which are kept alive un-necessarily are adding to this

That the threads are continuing to be "kept alive un-necessarily(sic)" is Clutton's *opinion* only and others disagree with her, as Lynz's post and those of others shows.

clutton wrote: »

.Lyns says ""The HHSRS and role of EHO is under reported on this site" - which is precisely why i drew everyone's attention to the very recent successful HHSRS prosecution (rather than to be reading cases over 10 years old !") This case shows current tenants that there IS legislation which works in their favour......

As already pointed out, in the Rogue LLs thread, that 10 year old case posted up by Lynz was equally important - shoddy electrical goods provided to Ts, LA held responsible.

clutton wrote: »

.
Unfortunately the media rarely choose to develope such a story.....

But no doubt, if they did, then the press would be full of "Dear Sir - yours faithfully, upset LL" letters in a similar vein to Clutton's OP in this thread.

clutton wrote: »

.the landlord said ""she had a £15 per day late rent penalty," - this is utterly unenforceable...

Clutton misses the point - we *know* it would be unenforceable ( it's clearly a penalty charge) but this amount seems to have been included in the tenant's total alleged debt figure as plastered across the internet by her amateur LL's publicity games. That these sorts of issues occurred in the Suzy Butler case (apparently uncommented on by people like the NLA/RLA) is part of the reason people are still posting in /reading that particular thread.

So, not absolutey not "unnecessarily kept alive" IMO

tbs624

madeupname1 wrote: »

This is the crux of the issue. Some people here see the mere act of being a landlord as being immoral so there is little point in putting forward a landlord point of view on this site.

Be strong in the face of adversity madeupname1 ...:D

BitterAndTwisted

Eh, I find the views of the professional landlords on this site very informative indeed. Some of them are extremely helpful to LLs and tenants alike. Don't knock it, I say or they might consider stopping to try and help other people in their own time when they could be doing something else

tbs624

BitterAndTwisted wrote: »

Eh, I find the views of the professional landlords on this site very informative indeed. Some of them are extremely helpful to LLs and tenants alike. Don't knock it, I say or they might consider stopping to try and help other people in their own time when they could be doing something else

B&T - there are indeed many helpful posters in this board and some choose to declare whether they are OOs, Ts or LLs or any combination of those.Some make presumptions about who or what the other posters may be,

There has, however, been an unfortunate outbreak of "chip on the shoulder" posts from a couple of those who say they are LLs and who misunderstand/extrapolate other people's posts in threads in which poor LL behaviour is highlighted.One of the threads complained about was actually started up by by another LL and LLs have posted in there.

It's not about all LLs being immoral, criminal,dodgy - it's simply about those who engage in behaviour which comes under those headings.

There maybe some posters who subscribe to Proudhon's pronouncements but by the same token, they are a small number and madeupname1 should be able to see that.

Most people don't actually have any issue with LLs ( or anyone else) expressing their views, except when those views seem to be saying that other posters ought not to continue to discuss specific matters at all, or beyond a certain timespan, because "it adds to an unfavourable perception of all LLs."

That's clearly a nonsense - as I said before, it's the actions of the rotten LLs that cause the problem, both for their Ts and for other decent LLs, not the discussion of their rottenness

LLs who want to protect their trade's reputation need to (a) act appropriately themselves and (b) roundly condemn, at every opportunity, those within the letting industry who don't.

neverdespairgirl

clutton wrote: »

I think the Suzy Butler case has been done to death already and i dont propose to enter into any more debate about it.. On the face of it she was utterly totally wrong...

Fair enough, each to her own. But that doesn't stop other people who aren't fed up with it, surely?

neverdespairgirl

clutton wrote: »

Presumably MSE must think that new landlords dont need the same level of professional advice here as do tenants

i dont get it either .......

I get it - it's a consumer site. Not a provider site.

HarrySment

tbs624 wrote: »

For example, where were the NLA and the RLA in the Suzy Butler fiasco? Did they take the opportunity to say "this "trial by media" is not acceptable, this is not professional, these actions seem to flout the law" and publicly re-iterate to their members the correct way to gain repossession of a property and/or adequately prepare for the let in the first place.If I missed any such comment please link to it.

Not quite what you had in mind but, Steven Hilton of the NLA did put a comment in the Tessa on the Telly article on the landlord law blog:

"NLA Steven Hilton August 12, 2010 | 2:16 pm

Just so readers are aware, the NLA e-mailed over 500 NLA members within a 20 mile radius of Brighton yesterday.

We’re trying to rally around and find the landlord somewhere to live."

tbs624

HarrySment wrote: »

Not quite what you had in mind but, Steven Hilton of the NLA did put a comment in the Tessa on the Telly article on the landlord law blog:

"NLA Steven Hilton August 12, 2010 | 2:16 pm

Just so readers are aware, the NLA e-mailed over 500 NLA members within a 20 mile radius of Brighton yesterday.

We’re trying to rally around and find the landlord somewhere to live."

Yes, had seen that & mentioned it in the tent thread but it's helpful to reiterate it in this thread.:)

It's good that the NLA sought to help the situation in their own way but it adds support to the view that their focus is entirely on LLs interests, and that they missed an opportunity to speak out to all LLs about how important it is to have a good understanding of tenancy agreements and the basics of how LL& T legislation operates, so that LLs can deal correctly & fairly with a T who is arrears, and with repossessing the property. Or there's always the possibility that an NLA member did offer a property to Suzy Butler , with the proviso that she get some training and expertise under her belt and stopped bringing other LLs into disrepute?;)

I guess Ms Butler wouldn't have wanted her facebook campaign page to link to the offer of help from other NLA members, or have it highlighted by the wonderful Argus or GMTV, as the existence of any such offers would have undermined her " poor little me, I have no option but to live in a tent" pretence.

theartfullodger

HarrySment wrote: »

Not quite what you had in mind but, Steven Hilton of the NLA did put a comment in the Tessa on the Telly article on the landlord law blog:

"NLA Steven Hilton August 12, 2010 | 2:16 pm

Just so readers are aware, the NLA e-mailed over 500 NLA members within a 20 mile radius of Brighton yesterday.

We’re trying to rally around and find the landlord somewhere to live."

Steven Hilton is, IMHO, a buffoon (there's history) & has now departed NLA: others may hold different views. He's one of the reasons I'm considering leaving NLA...

I think he has gone to the "Royal Collection" to assist the flogging of high-priced stuff.. i.e. now works for us all, albeit Royal Collection probably think they work for the Windsors,....
http://www.landlordlawblog.co.uk/2010/09/02/steve-hilton-notable-property-persons-in-their-own-words/

3. What do you think is your greatest achievement so far?

I’m proud that the NLA’s profile has grown significantly because of the hard work of the whole team of which I play a part. I’m proud that I still hear from people who remind me how I influenced them in their lives and helped them turn things around (I was a trainee vicar at one stage!)

Modest, ain't he?

(Note to self: Why am I giving this t**t publicity??)