Scapegoating Landlords ?

tbs624

clutton wrote: »

of course i will always condemn bad landlords... you all know that

..but clearly not in the rogue LLs thread (Edit - she's popped in this eve...)

clutton wrote: »

... but i think that some MSE posters are getting things out of proportion. thats all... Especiallyh if one or two cases are constantly dredged up - the effect on the body of landlords of this country will continue to be negative...

Clutton appears to be the one getting things out of proportion by taking personal exception to others commenting on "bad" LLs

Unfortunately, where poor LLs are concerned there are not just "one or two cases" and it's the actions of the rogue LLs and LAs which actually create the negativity towards the lettings industry, rather than those who discuss the behaviour of those LAs/LLs.

Negativity also occurs when LL associations fail to recognise opportunities to show potential/existing LLs how things should be done and/or show the public that they condemn bad practice

For example, where were the NLA and the RLA in the Suzy Butler fiasco? Did they take the opportunity to say "this "trial by media" is not acceptable, this is not professional, these actions seem to flout the law" and publicly re-iterate to their members the correct way to gain repossession of a property and/or adequately prepare for the let in the first place.If I missed any such comment please link to it.

Thankfully Tessa Shepperson, Nearly Legal et al saw fit to comment on the potential ramifications of Ms Butler's actions. I guess they were just being negative towards all LLs too?

clutton wrote: »

Putting a "rent dodgers" board outside a property is not a tactic i agree with at all, but it does only tell the immediate neighbourhood that a person inside is a non-rent payer but does not give an name... it is not a tactic that is on the web for the whole world to read... unlike some of the comments here on MSE and other boards....

My bolding. That's not the case because the location of those boards were reported in the press and picked up by TV and radio, and via the internet

Clutton is still missing the points that

(a) one particular amateur LL chose to use the media to put out her own slant on her situation vis a vis her T - she can't really then complain if that spins back towards her. Some posters looked more deeply into her claims and felt it was fair comment to flag up any discrepancies in the story

(b) the posts on LLs who have been the subject of a court hearing is (edit:info) already in the public domain and has usually been reported in the newspapers and on radio/tv news.

Why does a LL who says she complies with the law get in a tizzy about people discussing other LLs who fail to meet their obligations?

If we discuss rogue gas fitters are we saying all gas fitters are rogues? No

If we discuss dodgy garages are we saying that all garages are dodgy? No.

If we discuss teenagers with ASBOs are we saying they all behave like that?No

It's about perspective or, as Clutton herself says, keeping things in proportion.

lynzpower

I have to agree there, and IMO any good landlord ( like any good gas fitter) should by jumping for joy when the true rogues of the profession are "taken out".

Its my opinion that everyone should b 100% clued on LL&T law. The more tenants ( and LLs!) know their rights, the better.

lily_livered

I can understand why Clutton wants the comment on Suzy Butler to stop, after all Suzy Butler behaved appallingly and is an embarrassment to landlords. What I don't understand is why landlords groups don't come out and say that they'd rather not be represented by Suzy Butler in her campaign to change the law.

Let's not lose sight that it was Suzy Butler who chose to go public on national TV and radio and in the local press, unfairly labelling her lawful tenant a squatter, exaggerating the amount owed and using the dubious claim of living in a tent to give a routine story legs. Suzy's named tenant will have to live with that unfair label as few will bother seeing through the spin.

It's Suzy Butler who chose to run a campaign to change laws she barely understands, having a meeting in parliament with her MP, publicising that on her facebook campaign page and starting a petition. Suzy's campaign is still going on with the last post made only yesterday.

Yet what to we get from landlord Clutton, posters here are in the wrong for continuing to discuss the Suzy Butler case, even though there were also several landlords making excellent contributions to the tent threads.

Clutton I think perhaps your efforts to protect the reputation of landlords would be more effective if they were aimed at distancing good landlords from the likes of Suzy Butler and making clear they don't support her actions and her campaign. Perhaps you could for example ask the NLA to comment? I don't think stifling the discussion is the right way to do it.

clutton_2

NLA were banned from this site - so they cannot comment here......

if you want to ask NLA - they post on property tribes forum....

LL - you do make some fair points.

However... my original post was about the generality of threads here in recent weeks, not on just one thread..... I think the Suzy Butler case has been done to death already and i dont propose to enter into any more debate about it.. On the face of it she was utterly totally wrong...

tbs624

clutton wrote: »

NLA were banned from this site - so they cannot comment here......

if you want to ask NLA - they post on property tribes forum....

No -one was suggesting that they *should* comment on here. It would be inappropriate for them to do so as Ts are the consumers.

They have their own forum, website and their own magazine - that's how they reach their members. They have a press officer who can contact TV , radio and newspapers..

clutton wrote: »

However... my original post was about the generality of threads here in recent weeks, not on just one thread.....

"then the deleted story about the Brighton landlady who got GMT involved – many posts on this thread just got utterly hysterical and out of control……

Then the follow-on Tent Thread - which is still ongoing – although the media dropped this story ages ago..

That looks different to "generality" to me but hey ho.

Clutton wrote:

I think the Suzy Butler case has been done to death already and i dont propose to enter into any more debate about it.. On the face of it she was utterly totally wrong...

Good to read that last part

coldstreamalways

An honest question, if no-one had a BTL property, would all tenants be able to live in a house or flat & afford or be given a mortgage? Would all councils be able to provide enough housing?

Regardless of house prices, I believe some people would never get a mortgage, what happens to them?

Just forming my opinion of LLs and appreciate your input. I am a reluctant LL due to -ve equity but IMO I'm a good one.

StudentMoneySaver

Why is the NLA banned from this site?

clutton_2

Because when they first posted they did not realise they had to ask permission to post as they were a Company... they had been suggesting to our new landlords on here that it might be useful for them to join.. When they did ask MSE if they could have permission .. they were refused on the grounds that they were not a big enough organisation.....


On the other hand Deposit Protection Service IS allowed to post to advise tenants -

Presumably MSE must think that new landlords dont need the same level of professional advice here as do tenants

i dont get it either .......

ess0two

The big beef in here..............LL's are scum and prevent people from owning property as they buy it all up.


Simples....

olly300

clutton wrote: »

On the other hand Deposit Protection Service IS allowed to post to advise tenants -

Presumably MSE must think that new landlords dont need the same level of professional advice here as do tenants

i dont get it either .......

But landlords acting properly protects tenants. We regularly get comments on threads that were they are advised to change the locks on the door or exclude tenants.