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  • vivatifosi
    vivatifosi Posts: 18,746 Forumite
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    Generali wrote: »
    The rules impose a cost burden on companies due to their complexity, for example a small hospital that I was finance manager for had to have a 3-day a week pay clerk to manage the pay of perhaps 40 or 50 employees. I wouldn't imagine that a UK company of that size would employ someone just to pay their employees.

    Interesting.... Sounds like a gap in the market in which a small niche player could develop a software solution for such companies, a bit like in the 1980s (?) when there was high inflation in Brazil so there were firms there were experts at writing interest calculating software.
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  • ninky_2
    ninky_2 Posts: 5,872 Forumite
    Generali wrote: »
    The rules specify all sorts of allowances. For example, a full time shop worker that has to wear a uniform gets a laundering allowance of $9.40 a week.

    the state micro-managing wage levels? the economy must be on its knees over there! not to mention rampaging unemployment as companies are forced to lay off staff to pay for all these living wages.....commie scum.
    Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. - Lord Byron
  • bendix
    bendix Posts: 5,499 Forumite
    marklv wrote: »
    So I presume that if you are not a fee-earner, you have a non-job, right? I can't believe that someone who is intelligent enough to reach a senior position in a law firm can actually believe such tripe.

    You may presume all you like. I don't think I actually said what you presume.

    Just because I said my firm has some non-jobs (and I listed them) it doesn't naturally follow that all non-fee earner jobs are non-jobs.
  • ninky_2
    ninky_2 Posts: 5,872 Forumite
    bendix wrote: »
    Just because I said my firm has some non-jobs (and I listed them) it doesn't naturally follow that all non-fee earner jobs are non-jobs.

    i don't suppose anyone generally considers their own job to be a non-job.

    many jobs add value that is not financial. you seem to think that only the private sector is allowed to do this because it's not taxpayers money.
    Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. - Lord Byron
  • Generali
    Generali Posts: 36,411 Forumite
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    ninky wrote: »
    the state micro-managing wage levels? the economy must be on its knees over there! not to mention rampaging unemployment as companies are forced to lay off staff to pay for all these living wages.....commie scum.

    To return to the real world for a moment.....

    Non-traded goods in Australia are generally very expensive. This has happened in tandem with (mostly) Labor Governments intervening in markets, especially things like the very complex minimum wage laws that push up non-wage and bureaucratic costs for a company.

    The terms of trade for Australia for primary products (eg agricultural goods and minerals) are very good. Digging that stuff out of the ground allows the Australian economy to thrive.

    On a personal note, it's a shame that you don't want to engage in any sort of meaningful debate. You clearly prefer this sort of meaningless post to anything that moves the sum of knowledge. I'm not sure if it's because you're a young firebrand, burning with a desire to make the world a better place as I once was or if it's because you're not bright enough to make a reasoned argument. My guess is that it's a combination of the two with a pretty strong tilt towards being rather dim but I'm happy to be proved wrong.
  • ninky_2
    ninky_2 Posts: 5,872 Forumite
    Generali wrote: »
    My guess is that it's a combination of the two with a pretty strong tilt towards being rather dim but I'm happy to be proved wrong.

    sorry generali but that's just really nasty. i respect your economic knowlege and whilst we may not agree politically i've always enjoyed the banter.

    i'm afraid you've gone down somewhat in my estimation. although i don't suppose you mind about that.:(
    Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. - Lord Byron
  • Generali
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    ninky wrote: »
    sorry generali but that's just really nasty. i respect your economic knowlege and whilst we may not agree politically i've always enjoyed the banter.

    i'm afraid you've gone down somewhat in my estimation. although i don't suppose you mind about that.:(

    I took the tone of your post to be a wee bit snide and generally unconstructive. If I'm wrong then I apologise and I shouldn't have said what I did.

    I'm happy to admit a fault. I have many...
  • bendix
    bendix Posts: 5,499 Forumite
    ninky wrote: »

    many jobs add value that is not financial. you seem to think that only the private sector is allowed to do this because it's not taxpayers money.

    True. And many jobs exist purely because it's fashionable to have them - it checks the PC box. Diversity managers, community liaison posts and pro-bono coordinators fall into that category amongst law firms, accounting firms and investment banks.

    It's the elephant in the room. Everyone knows it's a bunch of PC !!!! that we have to do for form's sake, whether we really want to at all.

    There's a marginal PR benefit, I suppose. How depressing the modern world is.
  • ninky_2
    ninky_2 Posts: 5,872 Forumite
    Generali wrote: »
    I took the tone of your post to be a wee bit snide and generally unconstructive. If I'm wrong then I apologise and I shouldn't have said what I did.

    I'm happy to admit a fault. I have many...

    apology accepted. i think sarcastic not snide. the point i was making is a valid one i believe - that despite a high minimum wage and other state intervention on wage levels australia's economy is doing okay.

    as for your slight on my mental faculties.... einstein once said that the true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination. :cool:
    Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. - Lord Byron
  • Generali
    Generali Posts: 36,411 Forumite
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    ninky wrote: »
    apology accepted. i think sarcastic not snide.

    Sarcasm very rarely comes across in the written word as tone is the hardest thing to convey IMO.

    I was pretty grumpy yesterday too. I knew I was buying a new car today. I hate car buying.
    ninky wrote: »
    the point i was making is a valid one i believe - that despite a high minimum wage and other state intervention on wage levels australia's economy is doing okay.

    The thing with setting a price floor in a market is that it only reduces demand and increases supply if you set it above the 'market clearing rate'. That it hasn't done so means that wages aren't being increased overall by a minimum wage, although they will be in individual cases.

    Unemployment really isn't a problem over here right now. If anything there are a lack of workers and lots of job ads state that they are looking to pay above award wages, even relatively unskilled ones eg this
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