Extra £4bn welfare cut

diable

BI.Igger, I'd better look for work................

Rupert_Bear

The government are busy trying to pull us out of the mire and when the election comes the country will no doubt ditch them for Labour. Then Labour will undo all the work good the present government has tried to achieve.

Its like being on a merry go round.

I say bring back the workhouse!!!!

blindmouse

Good my dd has enough student debt to pay off. I see no reason why she has to support those that never even tried. She isnt even working for now in anything like the degree she chose. but she is working.

lemonjelly

Playing devils advocate (kinda)

firstly Osbourne asks public sector workers to accept a 2 year pay freeze. He then follows that by telling them none of them are secure in their employment. Somehow, I fear that they would be unwilling to accept a freeze with no guarantees in return.

Second, the private sector has had, give or take, 12 months of belt tightening. However, seems we're well past that now, back to normal etc seeing as we're giving our CEO's pay deals of £11.5 million a year. The world of big business doesn't seem to be taking on board the age of austerity.

Instead, the old tory scheme of hitting the easy targets (whilst conveniently forgetting their chums who are nom-doms, evading tax & using such loopholes) continues apace.

It appears to me that the private sector got us into this mess. The public sector will bear the cost.

We're in this together though, right?

leveller2911

dori2o wrote: »

The only worry is that yet again they will target the wrong people, i.e. those who are disabled (and I don't mean the bad back brigade) and truly have no way of returning to work, whilst those who know how toplay the system will continue to get away with it.

From personal experience I don't agree.My unlce had MS(which he sadly lost the battle against after many years).When clearing out his flat we found close on £2,000-00 in cash stuffed in between the pages of various books.When he was alive he asked various family members to look after his money in their bank accounts so that he did'nt go over the £3k threshold for savings(obviously they declined, but he Squirrelled it away somewhere.

He was also in receipt of Motorbility allowance but instead of a decent cheap car he had a new VW Golf every few years.Iv'e never quite grasped why he should have a brand spanking new car every few years, whats wrong with a decent 2nd hand car?,whats wrong with keeping a car for 10 year or more, why a VW Golf too, high end manufacturers.

Further more my sister has a disabled daughter, they have a nice new Citroen C4 Picasso on motorbility, all tax paid etc , I don't be grudge them it but 3 months after they received it they went out and bought a 2nd one for themselves........

Sorry but your a bit mis-guided there are much better ways to support people with disabilities rather than throwing money at them,proper targeting is the key...

Having said that on the other hand I also know a young lad who even though he is out growing his current wheel chair he can't get another one for love nor money.....

Graham_Devon

lemonjelly wrote: »

Playing devils advocate (kinda)

firstly Osbourne asks public sector workers to accept a 2 year pay freeze. He then follows that by telling them none of them are secure in their employment. Somehow, I fear that they would be unwilling to accept a freeze with no guarantees in return.

Second, the private sector has had, give or take, 12 months of belt tightening. However, seems we're well past that now, back to normal etc seeing as we're giving our CEO's pay deals of £11.5 million a year. The world of big business doesn't seem to be taking on board the age of austerity.

Instead, the old tory scheme of hitting the easy targets (whilst conveniently forgetting their chums who are nom-doms, evading tax & using such loopholes) continues apace.

It appears to me that the private sector got us into this mess. The public sector will bear the cost.

We're in this together though, right?

IMHO it was part of the private sector (the banks) AND the public sector (the outgoing government) who got us into the mess.

The government relaxed the rules, encouraged what was happening, and the banks risked everything they had to profit further.

Case of both the government and the banks being basically, greedy.

leveller2911

lemonjelly wrote: »

Playing devils advocate (kinda)


It appears to me that the private sector got us into this mess. The public sector will bear the cost.

We're in this together though, right?

I was listening to Radio 2 today, Jeremy Vine was saying something like ,In the NE Middlesbro area between 1998-2008 the private sector created something like 170 jobs, whereas in the same geographical area the Public sector created 13,000 jobs...

We can all post our own experiences of the Tories under Thatcher but the truth is Lemon you can't create 13,000 Public sector jobs against 170 Private sector jobs are have truth growth.

Blame the bankers and most of us would agree but be honest Labour shafted us as much as any swag Banker....I would agree that Banks have far too much power over Government , but IMO this is all down to "Not shooting the Golden Goose",Governments need dogs danglies and call the banks bluff.

lemonjelly

Graham_Devon wrote: »

IMHO it was part of the private sector (the banks) AND the public sector (the outgoing government) who got us into the mess.

The government relaxed the rules, encouraged what was happening, and the banks risked everything they had to profit further.

Case of both the government and the banks being basically, greedy.

Hmmmm.
A vast amount of government expenditure goes in a miniscule time span to prop up an essential wheel of capitalism, which had been engaging in the capitalist dream of chasing big bucks by selling financial products that it still appears no-one really understands.

There is the additional debate about the government spending being excessive, which is only going to end up in political mud slinging. However the fact that pretty much the entire world ground to a halt & is experiencing exceptional problems appears to be not down to the spending of the UK government. Given this, the major issues around recession are, in essence down to private enterprise in cause, and the big bill is down to the private sector.

ceridwen

bendix wrote: »

Woooo hoooooo. More good news from the government.

Personally, I can't wait for this October public sector spending review. Benefits cut, ridiculous public services ravished, non-jobs discarded. Add to that the positive impact such moves will have on sterling and the stockmarket, and it's all good.

Well....I hate chav phrases - but there certainly is one that comes to mind literally every time Bendix "shares his wisdom;)" with us - the one "What IS your problem?"...as every single post I ever noted from him is "having a go".

Do correct me if I'm wrong and he has ever given anyone helpful advice or expressed sympathy for one....:rotfl:

misskool

bendix wrote: »

Woooo hoooooo. More good news from the government.

Personally, I can't wait for this October public sector spending review. Benefits cut, ridiculous public services ravished, non-jobs discarded. Add to that the positive impact such moves will have on sterling and the stockmarket, and it's all good.

School funding cut, higher education cuts, great way to create a better Britain? It's not going to be as easy as having cuts and not having a detrimental impact towards society.

It's going to be bad.