PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING: Hello Forumites! In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non-MoneySaving matters are not permitted per the Forum rules. While we understand that mentioning house prices may sometimes be relevant to a user's specific MoneySaving situation, we ask that you please avoid veering into broad, general debates about the market, the economy and politics, as these can unfortunately lead to abusive or hateful behaviour. Threads that are found to have derailed into wider discussions may be removed. Users who repeatedly disregard this may have their Forum account banned. Please also avoid posting personally identifiable information, including links to your own online property listing which may reveal your address. Thank you for your understanding.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!

Evict a rogue Landlord - Shelter...

Options
1101113151645

Comments

  • lynzpower
    lynzpower Posts: 25,311 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    Come on Engerland, where are you???

    tailing behind scared of scaring the poor little business man as per usual
    :beer: Well aint funny how its the little things in life that mean the most? Not where you live, the car you drive or the price tag on your clothes.
    Theres no dollar sign on piece of mind
    This Ive come to know...
    So if you agree have a drink with me, raise your glasses for a toast :beer:
  • red40
    red40 Posts: 264 Forumite
    Come on Engerland, where are you???

    Housing Act 2004, Part 4; Chapter 1. Additional control Provisions in relation to residential accommodation

    Interim and Final Management Orders

    http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/housing/pdf/157287.pdf
  • Brb
    Brb Posts: 472 Forumite
    Not really BRB, already (kinda ) happening....

    Antisocial behaviour (Scotland) Act 2004 Section 74....

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2004/8/section/74


    Good eh?? The act also brought in mandatory registration of landlords (still not 100% successful, but getting there..)

    Come on Engerland, where are you???

    Cheers! (Aye the noo...)

    Artful

    Have noticed Scotland seems to have more logical laws. I'd live there if I could understand a word you lot are saying! I have several scottish friends and I must admit I can only make out every third word and have to try and work out what they've said haha.

    Police sell cars they've taken from un-insured drivers don't they ?
    Inside this body lays one of a skinny woman
    but I can usually shut her up with chocolate!

    When I thank a post in a thread I've not posted in,
    it means that I agree with that post and have nothing further to add.
  • clutton_2
    clutton_2 Posts: 11,149 Forumite
    Bristol City Council ""It is to consider taking over management if a suitable licence holder does not come forward ""

    All these stories of ownefrs of HMOs not complying with legislation are shocking, and un-necessary and surely deserve to be heavily criticised.. but


    The definitions part of the 2004 Act was Really clear, and it was very simple, in its definitions of [EMAIL="H@MS"]HMOS[/EMAIL] and Licensable HMOs - during 2003-2003 i went to a lot of consultation meetings and landlords meetings, and everyone was fairly happy at the clarity of the definitions......

    within weeks of the Act coming into forced, landlords up and down the country were be-moaning local authorities individualistic interpretations of the law ... some draconian .. some very lax.. it was a nightmare..... if you wanted to buy property in one town, sometimes entirely different criteria applied than in the next door town, and staff in council offices themselves often did not know the answers..

    This dogs-dinner of a 2004 Housiong Act was poorly researched, badly drafted, rushed through, ... so is no wonder there are huge variations country wide...

    I dont know if the Bristol local authority here is hoping that the owner can provide a new "Managing Agent" to be classified as a Fit And Proper Person to manage his HMOs - then that person will have the legal duty of management, but, will not have the funds to authorise repairs... so what will have changed - apart from the paperwork ?

    Will Bristol City Council then have to start over with a brand new process of Compulsory Purchase if no new manager can be found - and if so, on what grounds will they act to purchase ?

    Its a messy bit of legislation - written by folks unfamiliar with the nitty gritty of property management
  • lynzpower
    lynzpower Posts: 25,311 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    Another shocking case: does this top the lot?

    12th March 2010
    Newham LBC complains of court’s leniency over worst house they had ever inspected. Tom Wall reports

    A rogue landlord in east London who rented out a ‘house of horrors’ with a tarpaulin roof and holes in the walls only ‘received a slap on the wrists’ from the courts, Newham council has complained.

    Devinder Jalaf was fined £5,000 for the five most serious offences after he admitted 24 offences at Stratford magistrates’ court in January (see box). The maximum fine he could have received was £120,000.

    Andrew Baikie, Newham Council cabinet member for housing, said: ‘This case brings home the grim reality that there are people out there callous enough to run a house of horrors like this. It is just a shame that after our efforts in stopping this tenancy, the landlord has been left with little more than a slap on the wrist.’

    Mr Jalaf had been charging tenants up to £340 a month to live in the dilapidated property in Thorngrove Road, Plaistow. It was continually under construction, with a tarpaulin roof, no ceiling in parts, holes in walls, no front windows on the first floor, bare circuitry and a bedroom erected in the fire escape gangway next to a live cooker.

    * * * * *

    Senior EHO James Dykes told EHN it was the worse house he had ever inspected. ‘Because of the weather conditions there was rain water on all the floors. There were puddles of water and bare wires exposed everywhere.’

    Mr Dykes said at least 11 people were living in the house but there could have been more because some tenants fled when they arrived. ‘There was a guy sleeping between the cooker and the fridge underneath the boiler. There were three people sharing one room with no windows and no natural ventilation. It was massively overcrowded and really dangerous,’ he said.

    The tenants, he added, did not know their rights and were too scared to contact the council. ‘They didn’t want any retaliation by the landlord because there was no tenancy in place. They could have been thrown out that day.’

    An emergency prohibition order was served after Mr Jalaf failed to make any improvement to the property or respond to requests for information.

    Mr Jalaf told the court he had been living at the house after separating from his wife at their family home in East Ham. He claimed only two people had been living at the property. He said: ‘Some other people came to sleep there. I couldn’t force them out because they said they were friends. I tried to get as much work done as I could.’

    District Judge Gott took into account Mr Jalaf’s guilty plea but said he had potentially put his tenants’ lives at risk. He said it was one of the worst breaches of the regulations he had ever seen. ‘It is not just a question of the premises being unfit for human habitation, but people’s lives were potentially put at risk by you,’ he said.
    :beer: Well aint funny how its the little things in life that mean the most? Not where you live, the car you drive or the price tag on your clothes.
    Theres no dollar sign on piece of mind
    This Ive come to know...
    So if you agree have a drink with me, raise your glasses for a toast :beer:
  • Brb
    Brb Posts: 472 Forumite
    I've lived somewhere similar - had 11 leaks in my bedroom ceiling Lynz. No dangerous electrics though. It was back when I was 17 (some 20 years ago).

    Fun times LOL
    Inside this body lays one of a skinny woman
    but I can usually shut her up with chocolate!

    When I thank a post in a thread I've not posted in,
    it means that I agree with that post and have nothing further to add.
  • red40
    red40 Posts: 264 Forumite
    clutton wrote: »
    Will Bristol City Council then have to start over with a brand new process of Compulsory Purchase if no new manager can be found - and if so, on what grounds will they act to purchase ?

    Nope they will have to make an Interim Management Order (12 months) and decide in that time if they wish to take over the running of the property with a Final Management Order.
  • I have a pet theory, perhaps disproved by your reply, that those who moan & complain about things are often ignorant of the rules/law/regulations/best-practice/ways of doing things right.

    Out of interest (I like to keep up to speed on Landlord matters also) what was the course [I might wish to benefit from DH's trailblazing..] & did DH pass, please??

    Cheers!

    Artful

    Good for you and less of the sneering.


  • - in which I found the wonderful word, "Tortious"




    Wonderful in what way?
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • Wonderful in what way?

    Well, I tort it was...
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 351.2K Banking & Borrowing
  • 253.2K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 453.7K Spending & Discounts
  • 244.2K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 599.2K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 177K Life & Family
  • 257.6K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16.1K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.6K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.