Changes to Housing benefit how much will rents fall?

Kenny4315

I'm sick and tired of these benefit whingers, who expect so much while doing so little, the poor little darlings.

It is about time people take responsbility for there actions and stop blaming everyone else. Don't have kids if you can't afford them, don't expect to get a really well paid job if you ar$sed about at school, or simply can't be bothered (as there are many reasonably paid jobs that require little qualifications but just simple hard graft), don't expect to live in a nice area and a smart house if you aren't earning enough to pay for it.

I have zero interest in paying for someone has has never contributed anything to the system. People should be assisted for a specific time only, and the amount should be in line with what the country can sensibly afford, not an open cheque book policy. Obviously there will be certain exceptions, people who have a legitimate rights such as the significantly disabled, but there are plenty claim disability who aren't either.

stellaconcepts

quantic wrote: »

What I do not understand is why a family would need up to £500 a week for rent, when in most parts of the country that could rent you a 5 bedroom detached house with a drive way, gardens and all the trimmings. Why is the benefits cap not based on area? I appreciate that this will mean families will not be able to live in london (which i fully agree with) but it bares little relevance to the rest of the country who will not be exceeding this anyway.

I do not understand why the new budget aims to give people out of work similar benefits to the average family income. I think it is madness that someone who is not working could get close to what they could while working.

It should be impossible for anyone who is claiming benefits (if they are not on incapacity benefits) to receive more than minimum wage.

You misunderstand.

It is up to £500 a week total benefits including rent, council tax, tax credits, child ben, sickness ben - EVERYTHING!

MrPThomas

Jowo wrote: »

I read an article in the Spectator which claimed that the LHA caps affect less than 1% of claimants and around 10% in London and is calling for a sense of perspective on it and insisting that it is fair.

"Take a pair of teachers who have lived in a flat in Islington for a decade but want to start a family. Do you think that they can afford to rent a family home there? Of course not - despite living there for years they have to move to a cheaper area. So this isn't about singling out low income and welfare dependent people - it's just about treating them like the same as everyone else.
All this noise and fury over a cap that will save £55 million next year is ignoring the real injustice of housing benefit in expensive areas. The Joseph Rowntree Foundation did a study that showed a household in a high rent area relying on housing benefit saw an effective tax rate of 90% as they tried to increase their income through work, because of the way they lost benefits. This is why inner London, for all its prosperity, also has some of the worst concentrations of unemployment, poverty and welfare dependency in the country."

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/6425048/some-perspective-on-housing-benefit.thtml

There have been all sorts of figures banded about its only going to affect this percentage of Landlords etc etc.

Lies and stats.....

Total ben cap of 500wk for evrything as has been said on here if a family on low income is living in London they will be able to keep a very small amount of their total cap for food and living. If they move far away from London they will be able to use less of it for rent and have more for living.

So its hard to get accurate figures how many families will decide to stay in London and be worse off or move away and have higher standard of living.

One thing is for certain, do not belive these claims that it will only affect 10% or whatever of London.

Llubrevlis

novazombie wrote: »

There is no way these families should be have £4500wk rent paid.

Even half that is too much, so the cap will be good for the country.

Yes these families with lots of kids will have quite a shock. Now they are living in 4.5K per wk houses and spending benefits like there is no tomorrow. It will be a shock when they have to move away from London and they realise that they can not rely on governemnt paying for them forever.

Shakethedisease

Yes these families with lots of kids will have quite a shock. Now they are living in 4.5K per wk houses and spending benefits like there is no tomorrow. It will be a shock when they have to move away from London and they realise that they can not rely on governemnt paying for them forever.

LOL..some of you really can't see past the headline's can you ? It's depressing...

Jowo_2

MrPThomas wrote: »

..worse off or move away and have higher standard of living.

One thing is for certain, do not belive these claims that it will only affect 10% or whatever of London.

I do not believe in the pessimistic and apocalyptic scenarios of mass migration and homelessness of the vulnerable in London when the LHA caps are introduced, and neither does a councillor who worked in Camden housing.

In comparison, the potential numbers of private tenants affected in Camden equate to less than 3% of those currently living in social housing there - nothing in the scheme of things.

10% of those would ordinarily move each year anyway. A further 40% may have their landlords modify the rent. Of the remaining 50%, they'll either top up the benefits out of their own income, or get interim housing benefit top ups, or get assistance moving elsewhere.

So in an area where one is fed stories that tens of thousands are going to be forced out, a few hundred are likely to move out of the most extortionately priced properties and perhaps to somewhere a couple of miles down the road or the next borough. This is the reality for people in full time employment who cannot afford their rent - they select properties that meet their budgets, it's the norm. It may be shocking for those cushioned from economic reality by being on benefits who live in a rent bubble but they get support transitioning somewhere else, working tenants don't get handheld when they change their tenancies.

"... the talk of cleansing is nonsense – and may stiffen the coalition's resolve (Report, 27 October). Most inner-city boroughs have a significant social housing sector – in Camden, where your article states 800 families might be displaced, there are and will continue to be over 30,000 low-rent homes for poorer tenants, either council or housing association.

And many more low-income or pensioned households struggling in private rent. In population terms that's over half the borough and it will stay over half, cap or no cap. So talk of cleansing is completely unjustified.
As for the claim that 800 families will have to move. It's a crime almost as bad as the alleged cleansing to regard them as some leaden statistic, stuck on benefits for ever: some will get jobs and need less help. Some may be in transition, and not expect to stay put. Others will be moving, as people often do – something like 10% on average every year. Some may benefit from rent reductions – a survey of private landlords by London councils shows that 40% admit they are willing to cut their rent if a family can't pay. And some will benefit from "discretionary benefits" – we know that the government has trebled the allocation to £60m so families can be helped to stay where they are if necessary. So the number that actually have to move may be small – certainly not justifying one more utterance of this false "cleansing" rhetoric."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/oct/30/housing-costs-and-benefits

Housebear51

Its very simple, everyone getting more than £250 or so housing benefit at the moment will be better of moving away from London. They will not absolutely have to just they will probably choose to.

If they qualify for £250 or more housing benefit then they almost certainly will get more than £250 in council tax benefit tax credits or sickness benefit etc etc.

It is up to £500 a week total benefits including rent, council tax, tax credits, child ben, sickness ben - EVERYTHING!

Not many will choose to use up nearly all their £500 wk on rent and council tax. They would be better off moving away from London and renting somewhere less than £250 wk so they can keep most of their other benefits for themselves.

Shakethedisease

The Department of Work and Pensions says nearly two-thirds of housing benefit tenants will be no worse off, or will face a gap of £10 or less a week between their rent and their benefits.

However, official figures also suggest that one in 10 households will face shortfall of £30 or more a week.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11660316

Depends who's figures you believe really..

Silverbull

Shakethedisease wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11660316

Depends who's figures you believe really..

Why not just believe the truth. The truth is 500 quid a week total cap means not many families will choose to continue living in London.

Shakethedisease

Nicely 'glossed over' !!!