Mattress advice?

Tim_Deegan

You have made it quite obvious that the only reason you are on MSE is to cause trouble, and to try and discredit me. You are obviously one of those retailers who will try and baffle people with hype and gimmicks, and even lie to them in order to get a sale. Nothing you have said so far has been constructive, or has even given anyone helpful advice. Like many sales staff in big bed stores, it seems that you actually know very little about beds, and you try to bluff your way to a sale.

If you just want to argue with me, then phone me

sleepcrusader wrote: »

My valid reasons are quite simple. The most important thing you should be considering is that the mattress you are looking at is a two sided memory foam one! I don't know why everyone seems to take Tim's advice so seriously but to my mind he is talking rubbish! the main reason we buy new beds is to improve the levels of comfort we experience at night. If you had the choice of two mattresses, both costing exactly the same, but one was one sided and one was two, which would you choose? The one sided of course!

Yet again you are talking complete rubbish. It doesn't take much inteligence to work out that a mattress will wear more evenly, and last far longer if you turn it on a regular basis. Even with non turn mattresses they tell you to turn it end to end.

Now lets see, what would be the advantages of a non turn mattress over a two sided one?.....Well there are non actually, because even if you have a two sided mattress, and never turn it, then it will last just the same as a non turn mattress. But if you do turn it, then it will last far longer. A non turn mattress is the same as a two sided one, exept it has no quilting on one side. The only reason they are made this way is to cut production costs.

sleepcrusader wrote: »

Given the choice of experiencing the benefits of all the comfort layers every single night or just half of them seems a no brainer to me!

Well that just shown how little you know about mattress construction. A two sided mattress will have just as much quilting on both sides that a non turn mattress has on just one side.

sleepcrusader wrote: »

I have slept on the same one sided, pillow topped mattress for a year and a half now and can happily report that it is exactly the same condition as when it was delivered!

Well if that was true, then your mattress would be an exception to the rule. It's a pretty safe bet that this wouldn't still be the case in another 18 months. What are the fillings in your pillow topped mattress?

A couple of years ago about half the mattresses on sale were pillow topped, but now there aren't anywhere near as many about, because people have started to realise that they are only very comfortable when new, and that in time you end up sleeping in a hollow as the fillings move about.

sleepcrusader wrote: »

So, please, take my advice and shop around. DON'T buy online without first trying the exact same bed in a store, and even then ask the store for a price match if you've found something you like cheaper elsewhere. Never, ever buy from websites with spelling mistakes or mobile phone numbers as a contact. Things like that only set alarm bells ringing!

You would say that, because the shop you work in is obviously suffering because people are starting to realise that they can get much better deals on line.

You really are a troll, who is just out to cause trouble, and to try and stop the consumer knowing the truth about all the rubbish you obviously try to convince them of in order to get a sale.

Nile

Let's keep this thread on topic.

People are looking for mattress advice. Name calling and arguments don't help.

Here is what Martin says about Forum Etiquette:

Pls be nice to all MoneySavers. There's no such thing as a stupid question, and even if you disagree courtesy helps.

I'll move this thread to the 'I wanna' board.

Regards

Nile

Sleep_Expert

This argument against one sided mattresses is ridiculous, it sounds like childish paranoia rather than expert advice.

100% visco elastic memory foam is a very durable material that was designed by NASA to cope with the immense g-forces of being launched into space at high velocity while supporting the full body weight of an astronaut and all his gear. I hardly think a person sleeping on memory foam will have much effect on its long term shape.

If you have bought a cheap 'memory foam' mattress from say an online retailer and it's starting to lose its shape, maybe you should look a little more closely at that retailer as it's not going to be 100% visco elastic memory foam, it's more than likely going to be some sick, diluted version of 'memory foam' combined with cheap cuttings of foam swept up from a factory floor. Memory foam will ALWAYS bounce back to its original shape.

Tim, to be honest, I feel sorry for the people you have been giving 'advice' to. It seems like you have just been throwing absurd claims out of that dark, money grabbing head of yours that have no place in the real world in which we all live!
Any REAL bed retailers will offer you a guarantee...that seems a bit conflicting to what you've been arguing Tim.

I find it quite strange that a retailer of cheap two-sided mattresses has such a high opinion of them, isn't that odd? Out of curiosity, do you sell any one-sided mattresses Tim? I'm guessing no...

I have a one side, deep visco elastic memory foam mattress and it's a million miles away from the rubbish, straight-from-the-factory, two-sided, excuse for a mattress I had previously.

Sorry to rant on folks but it really annoys me when people try and sway the minds of the public for the worse on a product as important as mattress for their own financial gain.


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Tim_Deegan

How many different names are you going to join MSE under sleepcrusader?????:rotfl:

The_Dark_night-night wrote: »

I thought the reasons behind the advice not using two sided memory foam were quite obvious. IF you are paying for 70mm of memory foam on your mattress why would you wish to only sleep on 35mm at a time?

This is complete rubbish. A mattress that is advertised as having 50mm of memory foam on both sides, would have 50mm on both sides, and not 25mm on each.

Two sided mattresses may sometimes be slightly more expensive than a non turn mattress (only sometimes). But when you consider that you could get double the life out of the mattress, then it is worth it.

The_Dark_night-night wrote: »

The elastic capabilities of memory are such that it will always recover to its original shape and so there is no reason to split it in two to prolong its lifespan.

They don't....see above

The_Dark_night-night wrote: »

If i could point you in the direction of reputable firms such as Tempur who have been producing Memory Foam mattresses for years and have never manufactured a two-sided memory foam mattress (and their products come with a 15yr gaurantee so clearly they have complete faith in their products, though i haven't slept on them so don't offer my personal assurances).

Now lets see....a reputable company who charges over 3x what their mattresses are actually worth. So you are actually paying for your mattress at least 3x over. So they can afford to give a long Warranty.

A reputable company who's products came out bottome in the Which Magazine memory foam mattress review. And then put pressure on FIRA and Which Magazine to change the results.

A reputable company who try to illegally have competitors listings removed from Ebay with no good reason.

A reputable company that regards a 1" dip in thei mattresses as normal wear and tear to avaoid replacing them under the warranty.

The fact is that like most large bed manufacturers, they design mattresses for commercial reasons, and don't design them to be the best product for the customer.

The_Dark_night-night wrote: »

Perhaps the poster who suggests buying only from direct from factories and online should mention if he has any conflict of interest. He suggests that you still don't have a feel for a mattress after trying out instore, but it is still better than NEVER trying it from the internet. Yes, he may offer exchanges for product satisfaction but surely it is better to get as close to the right bed first. Are these satisfaction exchanges free? Or is there a pick-up cost involved? Suspicious....

I'm not saying that you should never try a mattress out in a shop. What I am saying is that laying on a mattress fully clothed for 10 mins in a shop can give you a false sense of security. I have spoken to may people who have tried a mattress in a shop, and found it extremely comfortable. Then when they actually get it home and sleep on it they found that although the quilting (or pillow top) gave avery comfortable feeling, the support the springs gave were completely wrong, but they couldn't return it, so they are stuck with a mattress they hate.

If you speak to a seller who gives a satisfaction guarantee, then it is in thei interest to make sure that you make the right choicethe first time. Otherwise it will cost them money to exchange or return it.

As for return costs, it's quite simple, you read their terms and conditions.

Tim_Deegan

sleepcrusader wrote: »

I should like to point out that I have never come near a forum to cause trouble or to discredit you. I merely feel that your posts and advice are not in the best interests of the public. It is not too difficult to find the website you run and it seems that the advice you give only serves to direct people to you and your site. Presumably all the people who choose to shop in Dreams, Bensons etc on a daily basis are wrong to do so and are throwing their money away by purchasing the big brands! Sealy spend more money on research every year than all other manufacturers combined in an attempt to find the best possible way of sleeping and that is why they are the biggest in the world! I will always continue to advise my customers to choose the bed they find most comfortable and should they not like it after a couple of weeks, I will always replace it, so don't tell me you can only get this service online! Ultimately, you operate in the bargain basement area of the market, sell cheap beds cheaply and then post on sites like this so that you get an inflated sense of self! I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who takes your advice as they are condemning themselves to years of uncomfortable sleep on lumpy, awful mattresses!

Well you just summed yourself up.....you think Sealy (owned by the Silentnight group) are actually good manufacturers. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Go away and stop trying to cause trouble, as you know nothing about the bed industry, and nothing about me. The only reason I can think of for your personal insults is that you don't like consumers knowing the truth.

Goodbye

Sleep_Expert

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Well you just summed yourself up.....you think Sealy (owned by the Silentnight group) are actually good manufacturers. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Go away and stop trying to cause trouble, as you know nothing about the bed industry, and nothing about me. The only reason I can think of for your personal insults is that you don't like consumers knowing the truth.

Goodbye

Wow...you're now turning this into some kind of bed conspiracy. Sealy are good manufacturers hence their millions and millions of turn-over. How much do you turn over with your snake lies?

By the way, I think sleepcrusader makes some very valid points that actually match up to logic, reason and research.

Tim_Deegan

Sleep_Expert wrote: »

Wow...you're now turning this into some kind of bed conspiracy. Sealy are good manufacturers hence their millions and millions of turn-over. How much do you turn over with your snake lies?

By the way, I think sleepcrusader makes some very valid points that actually match up to logic, reason and research.

And you call yourself sleep expert
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Bonia77

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Now lets see....a reputable company who charges over 3x what their mattresses are actually worth. So you are actually paying for your mattress at least 3x over. So they can afford to give a long Warranty.

A reputable company who's products came out bottome in the Which Magazine memory foam mattress review. And then put pressure on FIRA and Which Magazine to change the results.

As a matter of iterest: what mattress is top by Which?

Tim_Deegan

Bonia77 wrote: »

As a matter of iterest: what mattress is top by Which?

It was a Healthbeds Memoryflex

Jonjo42

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

It was a Healthbeds Memoryflex

Is it 2 sided memory foam?