Landlord wants to show around new tenants.

A_Nice_Englishman

jyonda wrote:

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I don't have anything against the LL and don't mind co-operating but we've a baby and a toddler and viewings will certainly be disruptive. For some reason I imagine there will be a lot more buyers wanting to see the place than there would be tenants if the LL was continuing to rent. Also by selling the LL is almost certainly going to have a void period of indefinite length anyway so why inflict hoardes of buyers on us? I know how much they paid for it and I know how much they will want for it and believe me they can afford to do without my rent for a few weeks...

Well, yes, I see what you mean but if/when you come to sell a property will you buy your new one and move into it before letting potential buyers view the old one?

amboy

jyonda wrote:

Nice sentiment. I wonder how you'd feel if it was your rights/ privacy being infringed? We are going through a similar scenario except the LL is selling up and unfortunately we'd rather not have EA's and buyers coming round at all. It's bad enough when it's your own home being sold but when you've actually paid for the service of living in rented accomodation then I believe you've the right to say who comes in or not. You are the customer.

I don't have anything against the LL and don't mind co-operating but we've a baby and a toddler and viewings will certainly be disruptive. For some reason I imagine there will be a lot more buyers wanting to see the place than there would be tenants if the LL was continuing to rent. Also by selling the LL is almost certainly going to have a void period of indefinite length anyway so why inflict hoardes of buyers on us? I know how much they paid for it and I know how much they will want for it and believe me they can afford to do without my rent for a few weeks...

Without being envious of your LL position what exactly do you expect him to do that you would follow in the future if you were in the same scenario.

What if he were desperate to sell as he was needing to free up some cash would that make it better for you.

At the end of the day I have had many families as tenants, I am glad that they all realised and were helpful in my viewings, after all they were also going to view houses in with tenants in.

jyonda

Well if I were in my LL's position I'd obviously ask but have to respect their reasons for preffering not to allow EA's and buyers into their home so that I might gain a few extra weeks interest on the massive gains I made over the last 6 years. If I wanted to I might even moan about it on a chat forum a bit like this one but probably wouldn't try to pull the wool over the tenants eyes by adding clauses to a contract which tries to take away their rights in the first place.

Some LL's on this board seem to think it's acceptable to withold a tenants deposit or give them a bad reference for simply exercising their rights.

I would expect my tenants to be reasonable. In return, I would be reasonable when it came to deciding if any deposit should be repaid or if a reference was needed.

A LL wouldn't lose any sleep about exercising their rights so why should a tenant? If a LL can't keep their business afloat without infringing the tenants rights then they should hopefully go out of business pretty quickly.

david29dpo

Debt_Free_Chick wrote:

I have to say that we seem to be taking a very hard line on these issues, when posted by tenants. I wonder what our advice would be if the question were posted by a LL?

If a tenant has enjoyed a good relationship with the LL then I can't see what there is to be gained by refusing entry to show prospective tenants/buyers around. Whilst this is the present tenant's home, it's worth bearing in mind that the LL has a significant amount of money tied up in the property and he needs tenants to pay the rent. So, if you have given notice to quit, why not let the LL show prospective tenants around? It can't hurt, can it? And if it were your house, which you were selling, you would presumably allow an EA to show prospective purchasers around - wouldn't you?

It just seems unreasonable and a trifle petty to simply deny the LL the opportunity to let the property again, as soon as possible after you move out. Moving out hasn't done the LL any favours, so increasing the likelihood of a void just seems to be digging the knife in!

The point about harrassment and quiet enjoyment is a moot one. A single request to show around prospective tenants hardly amounts to harrassment. Continued requests following a blanket refusal may well do - but I would not be confident in bringing a claim for a nuisance/harrassment on the basis of a single, isolated incident!

Given that most leases allow the LL to gain entry, with notice and at a reasonable time, what's the difference if the LL is accompanied by prospective tenants?

Lighten up peeps and try to see this from the LL's point of view. Just "be reasonable" and maybe life will be less stressful. Also, you never know when you might come across this LL again - perhaps when you need him to do you favour?

spot on!! this works both ways. ex tenant wants to view next property and cant because of bitter present tenant. think about that for a minute.

barnaby-bear

amboy wrote:

Without being envious of your LL position what exactly do you expect him to do that you would follow in the future if you were in the same scenario.

What if he were desperate to sell as he was needing to free up some cash would that make it better for you.
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It's deemed unfair in LAW because unreasonable to force someone to have strangers in home. If seeling themselves it's their choice to have people in and for their benefit. Peopel rent because they don't own homes they therefore do not want the hassle of home ownership such as selling. Landlords should factor the void into the selling/tenancy costs.

barnaby-bear

amboy wrote:

Without being envious of your LL position what exactly do you expect him to do that you would follow in the future if you were in the same scenario.

What if he were desperate to sell as he was needing to free up some cash would that make it better for you.

At the end of the day I have had many families as tenants, I am glad that they all realised and were helpful in my viewings, after all they were also going to view houses in with tenants in.

I didn't mean to thank you

black-saturn

amboy wrote:

To sum it up the tenant has given notice and had it clarified with LL, why then do people assume OP wont get deposit back etc ???

How often have you given the tenants deposit back? Be honest.

nej

The constant theme here seems to be that landlords are cash-sucking scum. This is not the case. Nearly all landlords own a second property as an investment, to provide for their future.

Tenants can be extremely difficult. They obviously have their rights etc, but have you ever tried evicting a tenant that isn't paying? It's very very difficult and takes a very long time. We had to do it once and it wasn't even a bad case compared to some. Some make life very difficult for the landlord. Yes, you may be renting a property and be entitled to privacy, but if you are moving out then it is only fair that you allow others to view the property. It isn't actually your property.

It's fine saying the landlord should factor in the void between it going empty and being re-let. Should we also factor in the potential costs of non-paying tenants? If all these were factored in, the rent would increase dramatically. And then nobody would rent the place.

In my (reasonably experienced) opinion, landlords should have more rights than they do.

We are always reasonable with tenants, and they in return are reasonable with us. We've always returned full deposits and don't nit-pick about little things. Except the guy that didn't pay, of course!

amboy

black-saturn wrote:

How often have you given the tenants deposit back? Be honest.

Not that iyt has anything to do with you but I have never kept the entire deposit in 15 years.

In fact i have a very fair way of deciding on deposits, I liaise with my tenant, I check the property a couple of weeks before they leave and we agree on anything else they could do which would mean I dont have to pay a tradesman. This gives them a further few weeks to rectify anything.

I really think you should stop using your bitter past experiences when advising people what to do as their are actually some LL out their who care.

I would never dream of witholding a deposit i know what it feels like BTW to have it happen unjustifiably.

And please dont assume anything about others.

amboy

barnaby-bear wrote:

I didn't mean to thank you

dont worry i wont lose any sleep