£70 Parking Fine in non P&D Car Park

Elmer_Dudd

Bluelagoon-personally i would never give out any personal info on this or any other site so we agree there.;) You can sit behind this CPS company and not have top reveal your ID -we cannot with the DVLA.

If you did maybe you would feel as uneasy and exposed as the rest of us legally registered motorists.

But as it is a criminal offence not to register a car with DVLA we are being penalised by staying within this law.We have no choice with the DVLA.

Parking on private land is a minor civil/contract matter so it is unfair for Parking/Clamping Companies to exploit this legality to obtain our personal details at a profit to DVLA and obviously to the CPS's of the world and you as an individual for your tickets and bonuses etc.

I never signed any part of my log book saying I authorise my details to be sold on to private firms/individuals and nor would I. These firms cannot guarantee 100% that any of these details could not go missing or be abused in any number of ways-so they should never be given access to them.:mad:

As I have said before this is nothing but an easy and underhand way to get money out of easy and vulnerable targets.

Only a tiny minority of these parking matters should/would ever warrant any further action such as a small fine or levy.

Be even more careful out there,
Elmer:cool:

PS Superscraper-still a little touchy with me I see-Ha Ha

taxiphil

superscaper wrote: »

I don't see that much difference, I wouldn't give you my business address either?!? Especially to someone who's obviously affected by it so emotionally, not that there's anything wrong with that, considering your circumstances with your grandmother it's quite justified and understandable but there seems to be a lot of transferrence of somehow making bluelagoon out to be the bad guy and a focal point for all this hostility. I don't in any way defend bluelagoon's position but I don't agree with the way you and a couple of others are disagreeing with him.

I wouldn't say I was affected emotionally by it, I simply have strong feelings on the subject which are in keeping with the ethos of MSE: avoiding rip-offs and knowing your rights. And rip-offs don't get any more flagrant than this!

Bluelagoon's whole reason for joining was to taunt, sneer and boast - the reaction was what you would expect from users of a "money saving" site, and I don't think it got overly personal.

bluelagoon wrote: »

As I have already said in a previous reply to you, the business address is linked to a company that is listed at Companies House where you can get the names and addresses of the directors and shareholders.

I wouldn't encourage anyone to post any personal information in a forum, especially one where such hostility exists.

Yet the very people who you "ticket" can look up director/shareholder info about you if they so wish (or they can even catch you in the act of ticketing them!), and this clearly doesn't bother you. If one were to risk-assess the situation, I think you're in far greater danger of being thumped or having a brick through your window by a "white van man" who's been on the receiving end of one of your charming yellow stickers, rather than an MSE user who is here to debate using words, and whose only wish for a "fight" is for a legal one.

bluelagoon wrote: »

I'm sorry to hear that, but you haven't provided much information.

Did she simply overstay in an Aldi car park for 10 minutes or did she drive on to someone's private land and park up for an hour?

She parked in a car park which was adjoined to a pub. The pub was closed down and boarded up! She urgently needed to pick up a prescription from the chemist across the road. Her car was there for between 5 and 10 minutes. There must have been someone hiding behind the wall waiting to pounce, as when she returned her car and 5 other cars had a ticket.

Yes, there were signs in place, and I don't dispute that it was private land and parking there was technically the wrong thing to do. But, in the real world, when you see a half empty car park attached to a boarded up premises, common sense kicks in and you decide that nobody will suffer harm as a result of you parking there for a short time. And indeed, nobody did suffer harm.

The land owners could very easily have put a chain or something across the gateposts if they didn't want cars parking there.

She paid the goddam thing, £60 I think it was, because she was terrified by it. I am more bothered by the distress it caused her than the money. It's unpleasant to see a 79-year-old in tears.

Whilst I accept you have some mitigation in the fact that unauthorised parking causes you a nuisance, I am still opposed to the principle of what you are doing and the way you and Perky go about it, and I maintain that penalty charges are unlawful. This whole website was founded on that very principle!

(But as your transcripts have helpfully demonstrated, one would have to raise the legality of penalty charges in court, as the judge isn't going to do it for you).

Agri47

Just to say that my late father suffered in a not dissimilar way only a few months after major heart surgery (artificial valve and bypass). Why should an elderly and unwell man have to suffer disproportionate threat and intimidation over parking in a near empty private car park at probably little or no cost whatsoever to the car park’s owner? The words “pure cowardice” spring to my mind in this instance.

Although I do not fully understand all the legal arguments put forward one thing is very obvious to me. The private parking industry in England & Wales is in urgent need of better, clearer and much stricter regulation to protect the elderly and the vulnerable.

joe1965

Agri47 wrote: »

The private parking industry in England & Wales is in urgent need of better, clearer and much stricter regulation to protect the elderly and the vulnerable.

You’ve got it in a nutshell. Though there are supposed to be guidelines which are meant to be followed. The private parking sector has been allowed to self regulate for too long. It is obvious that the system is being abused and the rules laid down and supposedly watched over by the SIA have failed and are ignored. The only response by these people is that it’s legal to do what they do. It doesn’t make it right or the fact that they abuse it and pick on the weak or vulnerable.

PaulA

I’ve been reading this thread and at first was fully supportive of the people claiming these charges were unfair. However the more they comment the more I find myself sympathising with Blue Lagoon. As his photo shows his car park is clearly signed and anyone who parks there without permission has no excuse. If he is wrong and the tickets are not legally enforceable then the law is wrong and they should be!

Why does anyone thinks they have the right to park on someone else’s land? Just because it is not behind a barrier does not give you the right, if I left my front door open does that mean you could come in and watch my TV? Just popping into a shop for 5 mins is no justification, you don’t know when the land owner might want access to their land. Whether you think the land is empty or not is irrelevant, it is not your land and you have no right to park there. If you want to go ahead and park on private land you should be prepared to pay up.

I’ve suffered in the past when someone has thought they could park in my private residential space and it is incredibly frustrating how little you can do to stop them, if I could have issued tickets or clamped them I would have.

The real fight should be against councils who have put in parking restrictions everywhere so it is impossible to find spaces in many town centres.

Elmer_Dudd

Made some interesting discoveries whilst speaking to someone I know who is in the know.
Apparently police/prison officers/witnesses/royal family/high profile ministers and civil servants/famous star's can have a marker or block put on their vehicle to prevent it being routinely disclosed especially if they are in sensitive jobs, fear stalkers, or may have been threatened etc etc.
Any check on their vehicle will be intercepted by a department in the Police /DVLA that controls these markers.

So if you feel that the routine issuing of your DVLA details could be abused and put you in a situation that you are not happy with maybe this is grounds to have this marker put on your own vehicle.;)
I will write to the Information Commissioner and DVLA to find out about this and post when I hear something.
I for one am deeply uneasy about my details being put up for sale especially after the Panorama expose on security firms supposedly given the OK by the uselessly ineffective SIA and being 'controlled' by serious underworld figures and all the worrying articles about some of these cowboy parking/clamping firms in the media. GULP!:eek:
My details are at risk!!:mad: :mad:

Be very very careful out there,
Elmer:cool:

superscaper

Elmer_Dudd wrote: »

Made some interesting discoveries whilst speaking to someone I know who is in the know.
Apparently police/prison officers/witnesses/royal family/high profile ministers and civil servants/famous star's can have a marker or block put on their vehicle to prevent it being routinely disclosed especially if they are in sensitive jobs, fear stalkers, or may have been threatened etc etc.
Any check on their vehicle will be intercepted by a department in the Police /DVLA that controls these markers.

So if you feel that the routine issuing of your DVLA details could be abused and put you in a situation that you are not happy with maybe this is grounds to have this marker put on your own vehicle.;)
I will write to the Information Commissioner and DVLA to find out about this and post when I hear something.
I for one am deeply uneasy about my details being put up for sale especially after the Panorama expose on security firms supposedly given the OK by the uselessly ineffective SIA and being 'controlled' by serious underworld figures and all the worrying articles about some of these cowboy parking/clamping firms in the media. GULP!:eek:
My details are at risk!!:mad: :mad:

Be very very careful out there,
Elmer:cool:

I'm personally quite uncomfortable with the idea of private firms being able to access the DVLA database. I think at best they should have some kind of council or government proxy so they can have their invoice/money request sent to the right person but without they themselves knowing the actual name and address of that person. It's interesting about the block/marker I've not heard of that before and I'd definitely want to hear what you find out.

Coupon-mad

superscaper wrote: »

I'm personally quite uncomfortable with the idea of private firms being able to access the DVLA database. I think at best they should have some kind of council or government proxy so they can have their invoice/money request sent to the right person but without they themselves knowing the actual name and address of that person. It's interesting about the block/marker I've not heard of that before and I'd definitely want to hear what you find out.

Agreed, and a good idea (in bold).

Wonder if bluelagoon is out ticketing tonight?

Just speculating, and maybe bluelagoon can tell me if I am wrong here (I'm sure he will take pleasure in it). The car park in question looks like one of several in an industrial estate - does that mean most victims of this ticketing scam are not people who have selfishly chosen to park there and go to the shops? Are they simply customers or reps visiting neighbouring businesses who have seen the notices but may believe they are parking with authorisation because all the units are next to each other and the car parks are not divided? In such estates it is often hard to tell where one parking area & business starts and another ends, especially on a first visit.

before_hollywood

if it is on an industrial estate then what is the point? fair enough if there are some shops right next to it or something but most places on an industrial estate wouldn't want/need the hassle

bluelagoon_3

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Agreed, and a good idea (in bold).

Wonder if bluelagoon is out ticketing tonight?

Just speculating, and maybe bluelagoon can tell me if I am wrong here (I'm sure he will take pleasure in it). The car park in question looks like one of several in an industrial estate - does that mean most victims of this ticketing scam are not people who have selfishly chosen to park there and go to the shops? Are they simply customers or reps visiting neighbouring businesses who have seen the notices but may believe they are parking with authorisation because all the units are next to each other and the car parks are not divided? In such estates it is often hard to tell where one parking area & business starts and another ends, especially on a first visit.

No, we don't ticket anyone who simply gets confused by what building they are visiting. There is a business very close by that gets extremely busy, particularly at the weekends, and their customers use our car park as an overflow to their own. No one parks here because they are confused, they do it because they are lazy and have no respect for private property.