Printing from a photo cd - is it illegal?

Freddie_Snowbits

rrf494g wrote: »

I notice that most photograhers in this thread use the legalities to support their "way of working".

It is why I do not do weddings, but more specialist photography today. As the car driver who hired cars for weddings and funeral remarked to me a few years back. 'I am sticking to funerals, as they get ratted after the service'.

As for Richie, I suppose he has issues with contract law.

Aiadi

Take a picture of a tree or some clouds and you own it. Take a picture of myself or my family and it is mine. End of... and there is unfortunately nothing on earth that you can do about it and I don't give a monkey about the experience and effort you put into it as this is exactly what you got paid for.

Richie-from-the-Boro

Freddie_Snowbits wrote: »

Correctamundo!

And I have the right to tell you to go and find someone else

You so, as do I that's the whole point, have you even read the thread my friend ?

If you had read thread you would know that was already mentioned by me. My point was then that photographers do not give out the TOC's usually till the say of the shoot, and the average member of the public should be aware of this.

The copy of the contract and TOC's should be given at the first consultation, long before a contract / commission is agreed let alone signed

fitshase

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

You so, as do I that's the whole point, have you even read the thread my friend ?

If you had read thread you would know that was already mentioned by me. My point was then that photographers do not give out the TOC's usually till the say of the shoot, and the average member of the public should be aware of this.

The copy of the contract and TOC's should be given at the first consultation, long before a contract / commission is agreed let alone signed

So did you get the full terms and conditions from your grand-daughter's wedding in advance?

rrf494g

£600 to £2000 for a wedding

I say again, these sorts of fees are nowhere near value for money. I am astounded and dissapointed that the "wedding industry" manages to imply that couples, young and old, need to spend this amount of money for a set of photographs, and the opportunity to buy more (at enormous prices). I think the point of the MSE forum is to ensure that every couple has the knowledge and the choice to access alternatives. The photographer is no longer the magician with huge wooden boxes on tripods, glass plates for negatives, and flash powder for illumination. My daughters wedding next year will have 20 photgraphers of all types - all relatives or friends - she will have a magnificent array of photographs that reflect every aspect of the day (And we won't be bossed around for an hour by a stranger that wants to sell to every guest).

Richie-from-the-Boro

Lirin, for goodness sake please stop posting the act, you already did so once it's still there. Now what about #77 ? can I encourage you to focus on this element please


#77
The Copyright Designs and Patent Act 1988 gives the client the right not to have photographs taken for private or domestic purposes issued to the public, exhibited or broadcast without their permission. Therefore, although the photographer owns the copyright in this situation, the client can control how they are used. It obviously makes sense for photographer and client to agree from the outset how the images are to be used to avoid difficulties later on.

#81
Then in #81 where you reproduce the act again you write a comment on the bottom QUOTE That's all the Act states, nowhere does it give the receiving individual rights. There are separate provisions for that, covered under differing Acts and laws. The 88 Act is a property Act for the creator of a work. UNQUOTE

I'm so pleased you finally brought this up, I was beginning to wonder if I would have to keep fishing for yet more tiresome days till I got a bite.

Do you want me to tell you, or would you like to expand the knowledge of your industry to include Attribution / Paternity / Integrity & Privacy Rights ? and tell all those reading this exchange about the ' separate provisions '

Try not to skimp too much on Privacy Rights Lirin

Freddie_Snowbits

Aiadi wrote: »

Take a picture of a tree or some clouds and you own it. Take a picture of myself or my family and it is mine. End of... and there is unfortunately nothing on earth that you can do about it and I don't give a monkey about the experience and effort you put into it as this is exactly what you got paid for.

Again wrong, if you are in a private pace, say a stadium and an accredited photographer is there, you have no right to how your image is used, except the temrs that the photographer agrees too for permission to be there.

Also in a public place you do not have a right either.

Richie-from-the-Boro

fitshase wrote: »

So did you get the full terms and conditions from your grand-daughter's wedding in advance?

- read the thread my friend, never had a problem ever with a photographer

Lirin

Never mentioned privacy rights, Richie, other than to say there are other rights covering receivers of images.

Photographer owns copyright. If photographer works for a company, company owns copyright. That was the initial discussion you started. The 88 Act is bought upas you keep misinterpreting it!

Privacy laws are different. Surely you're aware of the difference between privacy and copyright?

I never discussed privacy laws- you want to spend a couple of days doing that also? I'm on holidays, so more than happy to oblige!

rr494g -I agree that prices vary, and I personally don't think 2k is a competitive price for a wedding. The UK average is between £600-£2000- doesn't mean every photographer charges that- same as anything else, you need to shop around for a deal which you're happy to pay for.

clearing_out_my_pockets

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

The copy of the contract and TOC's should be given at the first consultation, long before a contract / commission is agreed let alone signed

I have just booked my (or should I say our!) wedding photographer for next year. Every single wedding photographer we spoke to sent us a quote and their t&cs. Every single one we spokt to told us up front what rights we would have and whether we'd be able to print from the disc. The company we have gone with gave us a quote, invited us in for a consultation and held a provisional booking without payment of a deposit. They let us walk out of their office (or is it a studio) with the T&Cs, booking details and told us to read through them in our own time and return it with a cheque if / when we were ready.

I actually think that the number of photographers that do not give this information are in the minority.