No Land Registry details

leftatthelights

BUMP.......................:o

terryw

Now that you have gently shaken up your solicitor, I would guess that he will phone the other solicitor.
Possibly this other guy has been on holiday or what ever.

Keep chasing your guy up!

bw

leftatthelights

Ok terry, will do.

I just thought there couldve been a hidden problem but I guess not.

Will post again when I know more.:D

MotownFox

The "hidden problem" could be what I mentioned in an earlier thread

The Land registry would want copies of the Original deeds and if title was in Joint names and both had died the death certificates of both of them and Probate/Letters of Administration for the one that died last. If it was held as Tenants in Common then Probate would be needed for both estates.

If this was not sorted before going on the market and your offer being accepted then the time the above takes to happen could be the reason why it has gone a bit quiet with them. Probate can take weeks to sort out and not forgetting that for Probate ALL assets have to be included NOT just the property so this can take some time to put together all the information. Then you have delays caused by holidays etc at this time of year as well.

MotownFox

leftatthelights wrote: »

Ok terry, will do.

I just thought there couldve been a hidden problem but I guess not.

Will post again when I know more.:D

Any more news on the sale of the property?

John_Pierpoint

Did you use the aerial photo and the little spyglass circle at the Land Registry to demonstrate that there is no registered title for the plot of land. That is free!

terryw wrote: »

OK. At this point is looks as though it is not registered. It would be normal for it to be sold to you with the daughter as exececutor. You would then register it (via your solicitor). The mechanics of this are straightforward, but I have little doubt that your solicitor will make a bit of a song and dance and charge you a bit more. Chase them up but be civil by asking if there is anything that you can do to help! I am guessing here that the delay is that the lady's solicitors are hunting out the probate stuff.

I am working from memory here, but in order to show "title" it is necessary to show that the property has been in in their hands for over fifteen years. This will involve the Transfer to the old deceased folks and copies of the death certificates together with the probate.

If anyone tried to ask questions about the plot I simply replied that the houses on the laft and right had been registered so I was selling what was left between them go measure yourself (and with a bit of luck you would also be able to register the 10 foot at the bottom of the garden that had been stolen from the rear field some time in the last 150 years.

Just to be on the safe side, have a mooch through the "deeds" to see if there is anything with a LR number on.

Land registration came in gradually over a hundred years or so, and it looks as if this property is in an area which was not compulsory to register back in the sixties.

For the benefit of other readers, all land can be registered now and I believe that there is still a hefty discount for voluntary registration. It makes sense to do this as sooner or later the powers that be will insist that all land currently unregistered has to be registered. You can bet your bottom dollar that fees will rise then!

I am really looking forward to this day of compulsory registration. Purely out of curiosity I would like to know who owns these vast swathes of unregistered land. Sorry to have gone off-topic a bit.

So you have to pay hundreds of pounds to have complicated shaped bits of land surveyed and registered - for what?
So that our wonderful government can tax you?

As things have been for the last 18 months almost any change in the legal ownership or terms of owner ship of land have to be registered/reregistered. Expect to see people not bothering to avoid the fees and legal charges. (eg widows not bothering to register the death of their husbands, like many do not re-register the owner of the telephone contract.)

Not sure of the current fees but I have those for 2006:
Freehold:
£40 value up to 50K.
£60 " " " 80K.
£100 " " " 100K.
£150 " " " 150K.
£220 " " " 500K.
with a discount of 25% for voluntary registration.
However there are additional fees for dealing with any difficulties.

Bananamana wrote: »

If there is a HIP there has to be evidence of title in there. Either Office copies if registered or an epitome of title if unregistered.

All I did recently was photo copy the existing epitome (list of legal documents) and type brief details of the death certificate and grant of probate on it - job done.

Any queries about plot size were answered with the fact that the houses on both sides were registered and I was selling the bit of land in between - go measure yourself.
(With a bit of luck the new owner would also manage to register the 10' of land at the bottom of the garden that had been [STRIKE]stolen [/STRIKE], squatted from the field at the back, some time in the last 150 years.;)

Bananamana

John_Pierpoint wrote: »

Did you use the aerial photo and the little spyglass circle at the Land Registry to demonstrate that there is no registered title for the plot of land. That is free!



So you have to pay hundreds of pounds to have complicated shaped bits of land surveyed and registered - for what?
So that our wonderful government can tax you?

As things have been for the last 18 months almost any change in the legal ownership or terms of owner ship of land have to be registered/reregistered. Expect to see people not bothering to avoid the fees and legal charges. (eg widows not bothering to register the death of their husbands, like many do not re-register the owner of the telephone contract.)

Not sure of the current fees but I have those for 2006:
Freehold:
£40 value up to 50K.
£60 " " " 80K.
£100 " " " 100K.
£150 " " " 150K.
£220 " " " 500K.
with a discount of 25% for voluntary registration.
However there are additional fees for dealing with any difficulties.




All I did recently was photo copy the existing epitome (list of legal documents) and type brief details of the death certificate and grant of probate on it - job done.

This seems completely irrelavent to the OP.

There is no need to update the LR on a death as it can be done following a sale by the purchaser - indeed most people do not.

John_Pierpoint

Does the assent not have to be registered these days!
It is 10 years ago that I had to fight off an attempt to register a strip of my unregistered garden, when someone thought they had inherited the field next to me. - actually I think I have the best of both worlds, my home is cautioned but I don't have to display details of my mortgage etc. to the public.

If land is owned by a trust, changes in trustees now need to be registered?

terryw

John_Pierpoint wrote: »

Did you use the aerial photo and the little spyglass circle at the Land Registry to demonstrate that there is no registered title for the plot of land. That is free!



So you have to pay hundreds of pounds to have complicated shaped bits of land surveyed and registered - for what?
So that our wonderful government can tax you?

As things have been for the last 18 months almost any change in the legal ownership or terms of owner ship of land have to be registered/reregistered. Expect to see people not bothering to avoid the fees and legal charges. (eg widows not bothering to register the death of their husbands, like many do not re-register the owner of the telephone contract.)

Not sure of the current fees but I have those for 2006:
Freehold:
£40 value up to 50K.
£60 " " " 80K.
£100 " " " 100K.
£150 " " " 150K.
£220 " " " 500K.
with a discount of 25% for voluntary registration.
However there are additional fees for dealing with any difficulties.




All I did recently was photo copy the existing epitome (list of legal documents) and type brief details of the death certificate and grant of probate on it - job done.

Any queries about plot size were answered with the fact that the houses on both sides were registered and I was selling the bit of land in between - go measure yourself.
(With a bot of luck the new owner would also manage to register the 10' of land at the bottom of the garden that had been [STRIKE]stolen [/STRIKE], squatted from the field at the back, some time in the last 150 years.;)

John

In the quotation attributed to me you have added quite a bit yourself! Why have you done this?

John_Pierpoint

Sorry I have not added anything to what people have said.

If you quote someone else their own statements come up in green. If someone then tries to requote the second entry then the first quote disappears.
Life gets a bit disjointed.

Ah perhaps I'm understanding what you are getting at. I was still correcting my spelling mistakes etc. when you replied to my posting:D