landlord rights

mostlycheerful

Mchale : And maybe tenants should agree to keep to their side of a agreement. it works both ways

Well, yes, but when you lose your job and can’t find another one or when you’ve never even had a job and if you’re poor and got no savings and then you can’t get benefits or can’t get them quick enough or if the benefits people mess you about as frequently happens then it’s unfair for a thug landlord to stomp all over you and kick you out onto the street.

But unfortunately due to the gross negligence, incompetence and failure of government, police and justice system in this country bullies often get away with outrageous illegal behaviour and weak vulnerable people are often battered and oppressed and crushed underfoot, as is frequently reported in media and these kind of public forums.

In the year 2010 there are sufficient riches in UK for everyone to have enough for their needs if only they were shared out fairly instead of the top couple of percent owning nearly everything and everyone else being slaves to the unfair system. The whole idea of civilisation and social security benefits is that all members of society, particularly the weak and vulnerable ones who can’t look after themselves, are nevertheless looked after by the state. But sadly the system so often fails, as in this instance.

So if you subscribe to Darwinian survival of the fittest and think it’s ok for the losers to be exploited and trashed by the strong, well, sure, woe betide any tenant or lodger who fails to pay their rent on time. And they deserve everything they get. However, if you regard brutal natural dog eat dog jungle law as something that we are now supposed to have evolved out of and be above, well, have a bit of charity for those in need. Of course there are also spongers and ponces and con artists and fraudsters ripping off the state and spending other people’s taxes that they don’t deserve and I fully agree with wrong’uns and thieves getting a spanking. But deserving people who just can’t make their way in life should be given a helping hand.

Of course there are also further arguments to consider such as that all property is theft and you gotta do what you gotta do and if they’ve got it and you want it, well, just take it off them, screw’em. There is a lot of lawlessness and anarchy in UK and world and although governments in some countries crack down on natural behaviour in UK there’s a policy to let most crime carry on unabated so as that’s the message coming from the top then you might as well go with the flow and get on with it. Hence nearly everyone gets mugged and attacked on the streets and nearly everyone gets burgled and defrauded in UK and almost everyone just takes it for granted that there’s little or no rule of law or law enforcement any where in crime-pays-UK. So, as in nature, might is right, God helps those who help themselves and let the devil take the hindmost. And talk of “civilisation” is just bogus hot air. Etc for another 500 pages.

Brb

I don't have any additional advice to offer Heelixx but wanted to post to offer more moral support.

mchale

mostlycheerful wrote: »

Mchale : And maybe tenants should agree to keep to their side of a agreement. it works both ways

Well, yes, but when you lose your job and can’t find another one or when you’ve never even had a job and if you’re poor and got no savings and then you can’t get benefits or can’t get them quick enough or if the benefits people mess you about as frequently happens then it’s unfair for a thug landlord to stomp all over you and kick you out onto the street.

But unfortunately due to the gross negligence, incompetence and failure of government, police and justice system in this country bullies often get away with outrageous illegal behaviour and weak vulnerable people are often battered and oppressed and crushed underfoot, as is frequently reported in media and these kind of public forums.

In the year 2010 there are sufficient riches in UK for everyone to have enough for their needs if only they were shared out fairly instead of the top couple of percent owning nearly everything and everyone else being slaves to the unfair system. The whole idea of civilisation and social security benefits is that all members of society, particularly the weak and vulnerable ones who can’t look after themselves, are nevertheless looked after by the state. But sadly the system so often fails, as in this instance.

So if you subscribe to Darwinian survival of the fittest and think it’s ok for the losers to be exploited and trashed by the strong, well, sure, woe betide any tenant or lodger who fails to pay their rent on time. And they deserve everything they get. However, if you regard brutal natural dog eat dog jungle law as something that we are now supposed to have evolved out of and be above, well, have a bit of charity for those in need. Of course there are also spongers and ponces and con artists and fraudsters ripping off the state and spending other people’s taxes that they don’t deserve and I fully agree with wrong’uns and thieves getting a spanking. But deserving people who just can’t make their way in life should be given a helping hand.

Of course there are also further arguments to consider such as that all property is theft and you gotta do what you gotta do and if they’ve got it and you want it, well, just take it off them, screw’em. There is a lot of lawlessness and anarchy in UK and world and although governments in some countries crack down on natural behaviour in UK there’s a policy to let most crime carry on unabated so as that’s the message coming from the top then you might as well go with the flow and get on with it. Hence nearly everyone gets mugged and attacked on the streets and nearly everyone gets burgled and defrauded in UK and almost everyone just takes it for granted that there’s little or no rule of law or law enforcement any where in crime-pays-UK. So, as in nature, might is right, God helps those who help themselves and let the devil take the hindmost. And talk of “civilisation” is just bogus hot air. Etc for another 500 pages.

Couldn't agree with you more, but bear in mind most of the opinions in reply to the posters story automatically blame the LL, without knowing the facts. It seems strange the posters house mate does not want to be involved and help out and nail this sh*t of a LL, remember the are 2 sides to every tale

mostlycheerful

Well, not necessarily that strange seeing as his own housing is at stake and maybe he’s fortunate or hard working enough to be able to pay his rent on time himself and therefore hasn’t got any problem with the landlord.

Yes, you’re right, you make me realise that we don’t know the other side of the story. And, yes, there is always the other side of the story. Yes, so far I’ve just taken it at face value without questioning the validity. Which is a bit naïve and blinkered – er, and moronic. But, who knows, maybe this bloke’s just a chancer and a mickey taker. Maybe he’s a lazy doper and a rip off just having a laugh and trying it on and now in fact he’s got his come uppance and his just desserts. Maybe the landlord is in fact a reasonable decent bloke but can spot a con artist and having been ripped off before by fraudsters is robust enough to deal with a wrong’un effectively and efficiently. Yes, that’s quite possible, isn’t it. Yes, I hadn’t actually considered that. I was just gliding along taking the story at face value from the point of view of the supposed victim. Yeah, it’d be a shame if in fact he’s just an a4sehole, wouldn’t it, but we’re all being helpful and considerate and supportive. Hmm, yes, that’s food for thought. Oh dear. Yeah, maybe I’ll stop being helpful on these boards, wouldn’t want to be helping wrong’uns and encouraging them, and, let’s face it, there’s millions of bad people around, as I often say, so by the law of chance probably loads of these people presenting themselves as deserving probably aren’t at all, a lot of them are just thieves and fraudsters and liars and cheats and con artists and rip offs - and deserve a good kicking! Yeah, plenty of wrong’uns spin hard luck stories, don’t they. Yeah, maybe I should go back to reading this forum for just entertainment rather than getting involved and posting messages trying to help supposed victims and people in trouble. And if I want to do writing I should do some more on my books rather than wasting my effort on this superficial nonsense…

tbs624

mchale wrote: »

Couldn't agree with you more, but bear in mind most of the opinions in reply to the posters story automatically blame the LL, without knowing the facts. It seems strange the posters house mate does not want to be involved and help out and nail this sh*t of a LL, remember the are 2 sides to every tale

Nope - there are 3 - both parties' versions of events and then the truth.

As for thinking it strange that a housemate in these circumstances does " not want to be involved", I think most people could understand that the housemate may be more concerned about self preservation.

The fact that the Community Legal Advice guys are looking into it as an illegal eviction case tends to support the angle that has been taken by those of us who have responded so far.

tbs624

mchale wrote: »

And maybe tenants should agree to keep to their side of a agreement. it works both ways

Yes, Ts should pay their rent in full and on time.

However, sometimes, life events mean that there is a disruption to that and when/if this is the case the law provides a mechanism for the LL to deal with the matter.

The LL has to act within the law or s/he runs the risk of ending up with a criminal record plus a potential civil action from the displaced T.

You are surely not condoning a LL whose T has fallen into arrears:

• letting himself into th e property late at night
• pouring kettles of water on to the Ts personal property
• refusing to allow the T back into the property
• threatening to break the Ts legs

Tenant harassment and illegal eviction are criminal actions - the actions of morons and thugs who should, quite simply, never be allowed to let out a property again.

If the OPs account of events is a fair one then this particular residential LL should have his pub license removed too IMO.

mchale

tbs624 wrote: »

You are surely not condoning a LL whose T has fallen into arrears:

I wouldn't condone anything until I know the facts, unlike a lot of the posters on this thread who have placed blame on the LL.

theGrinch

lynzpower wrote: »

Why is he passing judgement on whats in the garden? Not really his business, leave the tenants to the quiet enjoyment of the property and stop doing the nosey drive-bys, hes not helping himself!

anyone can take an interest in the condition of a property as part of their civic duty, landlord or otherwise. if there is indeed rubbish piling up, then it could be an environmental issue arising.

tbs624

theGrinch wrote: »

anyone can take an interest in the condition of a property as part of their civic duty, landlord or otherwise. if there is indeed rubbish piling up, then it could be an environmental issue arising.

You're about 50 posts out of date. The part of the thread to which you are responding dwindled to a close five/six weeks ago, at post 49:)

tbs624

mchale wrote: »

I wouldn't condone anything until I know the facts, unlike a lot of the posters on this thread who have placed blame on the LL.

So , do tell us under which circumstances you would deem those LL actions (as reported by OP no 2) as being acceptable/ not worthy of any "blame" being apportioned to the LL?

tbs624 wrote: »

You are surely not condoning a LL whose T has fallen into arrears:

• letting himself into th e property late at night
• pouring kettles of water on to the Ts personal property
• refusing to allow the T back into the property
• threatening to break the Ts legs