Is this legal? Expected to travel on Sunday for no pay?

SarahLou

I'm not sure if he's asked for that document yet - I will suggest he asks for it though... when his bosses actually grace his presence and don't keep making themselves uncontactable!

SarahLou

Oops, forgot to answer your other question.

Nope, the family member near this site is of no relation to my hubby - he won't be visiting them - its just one of his colleagues that'll be doing the visiting. So exactly - why should my hubby and his other colleagues chip in for fuel? Makes no sense.

getmore4less

Small company significant number of employees in the same van travelling long distance together, madness.

How many are in the van?

They should make sure they moan at the customer a lot about not gettting proper expences to cover petrol and food and want them paying directly next time

My guess is they have expences built into the job but they are not getting them passed on.


How hard would it be for everyone to just leave and setup on their own.

Certainly something to be planning since they look like they are going down.


IIRC this was a TUPE transfer where the workers transfered but not the job.

Pete111

Lucky Lucky -Think I was answering one question with half the answers from one poster and the other half from you!

If you are talking about offsite meetings etc then your way is quite sensible.

ARIANIA was saying that when travelling to their usual workplace, NT staff could claim back time if they were delayed I think.

For me this policy falls down on a number of fronts

1) Open to abuse
2) Money spent reimbursing employees for events outside employer control or responsibility
3) Admin needed to operate policy

I do not doubt the NT staff liked the policy. I would too if it meant I could turn up 30 mins late after a heavy night and instead of getting grief, I get reimbursed the time because of a delay cause by a 'fictional caravan'

;-)


OP is being taken for a ride however - totally different kettle of fish.

paulwf

SarahLou wrote: »

Thanks for that - I share your sentiments.

And he's on just less than £18K a year. So not exactly flushed with cash with which to pay for petrol, get himself meals while he's on away work, etc.

I'm going to dig out another thread about this place of work - regarding extremely dangerous situations involving works vehicles. (Another reason he's more keen to use his own car). I'll go and find it now and link to that so people can have a read of that one too. Truly shocking stuff!

Oh for heavens sake! The more I read of this the more ridiculous it gets...staying in carvans and driving dodgy vehicles.

OP this is going to sound harsh but you and your husband really need to step up a gear and find him another job. Even if it is minimum wage I don't think you will be that worse off overall, plus you might be entitled to working tax credits. There comes a time when you've only got yourselves to blame for putting up with this company for so long.

It is time for a reality check...it sounds like things have slowly got worse and worse and it is time to step back and realise what a mess this company is in.

One problem you have is that it sounds like it will be impossible to change jobs whilst being away 6 days a week. There is going to have to come a point where he is going to have to leave and start a proper job hunt.

As before I fear the alternative will either be an accident, health problems or perhaps a relationship breakdown due to stress. Get him out of that job as soon as you can, there is no point fighting for change.

SarahLou

I've never heard of a TUPE transfer - what does TUPE stand for?

My hubby was self employed in the same field a few years back but when we found out I was expecting our little one he took this job for a bit of steadiness, paid holiday, etc. (As of course self employment comes with its own problems).

I'm not sure how many people will be travelling in this van on Sunday - when I spoke to the hubby earlier he said that those who have been doing the job for the past 5 weeks aren't even sure who is going to be there next week with my hubby - so for them, I feel very sorry for them as they're given very little notice (2 days, tops), as to whether they're there or not next week. So I'm not sure how many will be in the van but I suspect it'll be 4-5 of them.

lucylucky

Pete111 wrote: »

Lucky Lucky -Think I was answering one question with half the answers from one poster and the other half from you!

If you are talking about offsite meetings etc then your way is quite sensible.

ARIANIA was saying that when travelling to their usual workplace, NT staff could claim back time if they were delayed I think.

For me this policy falls down on a number of fronts

1) Open to abuse
2) Money spent reimbursing employees for events outside employer control or responsibility
3) Admin needed to operate policy

I do not doubt the NT staff liked the policy. I would too if it meant I could turn up 30 mins late after a heavy night and instead of getting grief, I get reimbursed the time because of a delay cause by a 'fictional caravan'

;-)


OP is being taken for a ride however - totally different kettle of fish.

Thanks for that (and I agree on all fronts)

SarahLou

paulwf wrote: »

Oh for heavens sake! The more I read of this the more ridiculous it gets...staying in carvans and driving dodgy vehicles.

OP this is going to sound harsh but you and your husband really need to step up a gear and find him another job. Even if it is minimum wage I don't think you will be that worse off overall, plus you might be entitled to working tax credits. There comes a time when you've only got yourselves to blame for putting up with this company for so long.

It is time for a reality check...it sounds like things have slowly got worse and worse and it is time to step back and realise what a mess this company is in.

One problem you have is that it sounds like it will be impossible to change jobs whilst being away 6 days a week. There is going to have to come a point where he is going to have to leave and start a proper job hunt.

As before I fear the alternative will either be an accident, health problems or perhaps a relationship breakdown due to stress. Get him out of that job as soon as you can, there is no point fighting for change.

Yup, I fear you're right. Its a difficult one - he's got a lot of "outside" experience/knowledge but with his one degree in a field that is so specific to his current occupation, he finds himself very restricted in what he can apply for.

I pray for a letter landing on the doormat inviting him to an interview. Hasn't happened yet but it is only a matter of time.

All he wants is a job that pays no less than what he is on now (not hard then ) and one that doesn't involve him work away so frequently (not ideal for anyone with a young family). He's never been in a job that has involved so much away-work so hopefully he can find himself back in a job that is based locally.

Seeing how utterly disappointed/pee'd off/stressed/upset he was last night about it all, I think the time is upon us where he will just take any old job if one comes around. We can't afford him to take a job on a lower wage but with his experience, he should be able to get a job on a comparable wage, or higher.

lucylucky

SarahLou wrote: »

I've never heard of a TUPE transfer - what does TUPE stand for?

My hubby was self employed in the same field a few years back but when we found out I was expecting our little one he took this job for a bit of steadiness, paid holiday, etc. (As of course self employment comes with its own problems).

I'm not sure how many people will be travelling in this van on Sunday - when I spoke to the hubby earlier he said that those who have been doing the job for the past 5 weeks aren't even sure who is going to be there next week with my hubby - so for them, I feel very sorry for them as they're given very little notice (2 days, tops), as to whether they're there or not next week. So I'm not sure how many will be in the van but I suspect it'll be 4-5 of them.

http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1655

Is there seating in the van for 4 or 5?

paulwf

SarahLou wrote: »

Yup, I fear you're right. Its a difficult one - he's got a lot of "outside" experience/knowledge but with his one degree in a field that is so specific to his current occupation, he finds himself very restricted in what he can apply for.

I pray for a letter landing on the doormat inviting him to an interview. Hasn't happened yet but it is only a matter of time.

All he wants is a job that pays no less than what he is on now (not hard then ) and one that doesn't involve him work away so frequently (not ideal for anyone with a young family). He's never been in a job that has involved so much away-work so hopefully he can find himself back in a job that is based locally.

Seeing how utterly disappointed/pee'd off/stressed/upset he was last night about it all, I think the time is upon us where he will just take any old job if one comes around. We can't afford him to take a job on a lower wage but with his experience, he should be able to get a job on a comparable wage, or higher.

My OH did the same degree. She didn't take it up as a profession, sadly if he continues in that career he will most likely end up trapped traveling around the country working for little pay.

I'm not sure you'll be much worse if he took *any* job as long as it is full time. He'll pay a bit less tax, you might get some tax credits, and you'll be available to work a bit more yourself.

I think he needs to get his priorities right. I know the job market isn't ideal but I think he needs to look at another career even if it isn't so enjoyable so he can help look after himself, you and his daughter.