Risky IB to ESA transfer may affect DLA, leaked DWP letter reveals

Oldernotwiser

Broken_hearted wrote: »

They dont care about people all they want is to save money. Disabled are the easiest group to attack with the least chance to fight back.

All benefits are going to be cut back and all groups of claimants think that it's their group who is being targeted.

sunnyone

The DLA reforms are all designed to apply the benefit to those that it was meant for, that why it was thrown around about SS getting the money instead of the claimants: so that only people with mobility and personel care got any help.

IB to ESA is about making the bad back/depression fakers being put where they should be, on JSA if they choose to not work and in that event JSA reforms will make them do something.

DLA was rolled out in 1992 (the year of my accident btw) and it was designed for the needs of disabled people in 1992 and not 2010 when nearly everyone claims to be disabled.

Whats going to happen is going to happen.

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krisskross wrote: »

But the medical conditions don't change. It is entirely possible to apply the results of one medical to several different sets of criteria.

but dla isnt ever based on a medical condition its awarded on the basis of care/mobility needs,esa is based on the ability (or not)to be avaliable for work(or not)
Two completly different things that can never be covered by a single test.

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Breast_Cancer_Survivor wrote: »

I don't necessaily agree with it but that looks like one of the options they are exploring to get the target of 20% of people off DLA that they want to achieve.

there would be a very simple way of reducing dla by 20% make it an out of work benefit only,failing that means test it or tax it.
Non of this would involve aTOSS.

krisskross

woodbine wrote: »

but dla isnt ever based on a medical condition its awarded on the basis of care/mobility needs,esa is based on the ability (or not)to be avaliable for work(or not)
Two completly different things that can never be covered by a single test.

But surely if one is turned down for DLA on the basis of having no appreciable care or mobility needs then it could be said one is fit to work.

ash4becks

krisskross wrote: »

But surely if one is turned down for DLA on the basis of having no appreciable care or mobility needs then it could be said one is fit to work.

i have seen a few thread for example where cancer sufferes arent given dla which in my eyes should be automatic for this condtion even if its only for a year, should they be expected to work while having treament and being sick because of the side affects i think not !

Oldernotwiser

woodbine wrote: »

there would be a very simple way of reducing dla by 20% make it an out of work benefit only,failing that means test it or tax it.
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So disabled people who make the effort to carry on working would be disadvantaged compared to those who just give up and accept that they'll spend their lives on benefits? How would that be a good thing?

Oldernotwiser

ash4becks wrote: »

i have seen a few thread for example where cancer sufferes arent given dla which in my eyes should be automatic for this condtion even if its only for a year, should they be expected to work while having treament and being sick because of the side affects i think not !

That's just ridiculous! Having cancer is no different from many other major conditions and many people are back at work within a few weeks or months. Some people may need DLA but there's no reason for it to be automatic.

krisskross

ash4becks wrote: »

i have seen a few thread for example where cancer sufferes arent given dla which in my eyes should be automatic for this condtion even if its only for a year, should they be expected to work while having treament and being sick because of the side affects i think not !

I looked after people with cancer who took a day's annual leave everytime they had to come in for chemotherapy. Wouldn't have dreamed of claiming disability benefits.

You do not have enough experience of life or people to be able to form much of an opinion. Or knowledge come to that.

pixwix

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

That's just ridiculous! Having cancer is no different from many other major conditions and many people are back at work within a few weeks or months. Some people may need DLA but there's no reason for it to be automatic.

But neither is there any excuse for people being given a hard time at the most vulnerable point in their lives. My son's father-in-law is less than 6 weeks past very serious surgery for cancer, and it only takes a glance not a medical exam to see the man is dying on his feet. But his benefit has been stopped and he's been told to go back to work. Given the man is in his 60s and has worked hard all his life, it's obscene.