Driving Test Appeal??

cardinalbiggles

If you were on a road and you had to brush past bushes then you should have stopped to let the cars on the otherside clear.

Secondly the examiner wanted you more in the center of the road, thats totally fine if it was coming up to a left hand bend, you can sit quite far out and have time to get back in, not the same however with right hand bends.

If I was your examiner and you went tearing through shrubbery in the car I would fail you as well.

newbie007_2

cardinalbiggles wrote: »

If I was your examiner and you went tearing through shrubbery in the car I would fail you as well.

You are not qualify to say this.

isplumm

Sandoval wrote: »

What a load of rubbish.

along with 'the best people pass second time'...

That bit is true - I passed my test 2nd time, so it must be

Mark

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Evilm wrote: »

They have in theory, changed from having quotas but I do know someone who did the admin at a centre in the early 90's and says they definitely did have them there and then and failed people they otherwise wouldn't because of it.

The Department of Transport, as it was back in the 90's didn't have any " Admin " at Driving Test Centres, so another little story out of the window.

Why oh why do some people have to dream up this rubbish?

Strider590

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/nov/02/transport.lifeandhealth

"They must mark applicants during the 40-minute test according to a strict set of criteria and their pass or fail rates are constantly compared with those of their colleagues. If one is passing or failing 10% more or fewer than the examiners in their centre, then they are given guidance or retraining."

So I ask the question, what's the easiest way to match their colleagues to within 10%?

DaveF327

elfieb wrote: »

It had nothing to do with my ability to drive......it was a simple choice of do I allow my wing mirror to be hit, or possibly have a few branches brush the side of the car?

If you have to make a choice between a collision with one object or another, then that has everything to do with your ability to drive. You should not "have to" hit anything - what if it's a parked car on the left and oncoming traffic on the right? Do you clip the parked car's mirror to save your right one? If I were your instructor, I'd be hopping mad that you scratched the left side of my car's paintwork and you thought it was acceptable.

It's known as a "meeting" situation and is handled by appropriate speed on approach and a decision so stop if necessary until the other driver is past, so you can steer wider around the obstruction. It doesn't matter whether the obstruction is an overhanging branch, a parked car or a deep puddle next to a bus stop full of people. (Remember that story in 2008 about the woman who failed for deluging a man at a bus stop? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7605026.stm ) If you cannot fit through a gap, you must wait until you can. If you're skillful enough, you may slow down so much on approach that you may continue without a complete stop. That is far smoother and shows good planning.

Of course, there is another factor which no-one has brought up yet; the question of spatial awareness. I've seen situations often where a candidate stops unnecessarily or shaves something on the left despite the gap on the right being a good metre or more wide. What they thought was "I might hit it" was purely erroneous judgement, usually aggravated by too high a speed. Slowing down in advance and glancing at both door mirrors helps you evaluate the differences in distance. Less space, less pace.

As for these posts about quotas and "having to fail people in the afternoon", it's funny how this rumour never seems to run the other way. If an examiner has to fiddle figures, how come he never has to pass people to achieve the perfect number? Why only fail? The latter suggests everyone entering a test centre is perfect and a dead cert to pass, yet the examiner allegedly has to reduce the number.

The truth is that the general standard of candidate entered for test is so poor, examiners don't have to look for fails; the fails find them - often slap in the face - each and every day. Just watch any test centre car park from a distance to see candidates setting off and arriving, stalling and kangarooing. Some have very close calls with the test centre gates. Watch a learner driver around the local area close to a test centre cutting people up, missing red lights, trying to enter "no entry" roads and turning right from the left lane. If you see the passenger in high-vis jacket and DSA name badge, it's an examiner on test. Yet that person who you saw driving like a buffoon will be the first to cry "unfair" when told they have failed - then blames the examiner or the "quotas".

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Strider590 wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/nov/02/transport.lifeandhealth

"They must mark applicants during the 40-minute test according to a strict set of criteria and their pass or fail rates are constantly compared with those of their colleagues. If one is passing or failing 10% more or fewer than the examiners in their centre, then they are given guidance or retraining."

So I ask the question, what's the easiest way to match their colleagues to within 10%?

That is all about quality control, if one examiner's pass/fail rates are out of sync with his/her colleagues over a long period at the same Driving Test Centre, then he/she will not be applying the standards set by the DSA.

The examiner would then possibly be given further training at Cardington in order to apply the standards correctly.

GEEGEE8

& to think I had the Chief Examiner on my test and went up and over the curb with both inside wheels in a town centre... and PASSED! lol.

Worry not, fellow posters, never had a fault accident and I've got 7 yrs No Claims Bonus.

But still, in comparison to the opening post, it's shocking how I passed!

MoneySavingUser

In my experience - driving examiners are a law unto themselves

Unlucky OP - best of luck next time!

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GEEGEE8 wrote: »

& to think I had the Chief Examiner on my test and went up and over the curb with both inside wheels in a town centre... and PASSED! lol.

You did not have the " Chief " examiner.

You may well have had the Senior Driving Examiner.