'Do you believe in the BBC licence fee?' poll discussion

Judywain

Cross channel promotions and trails for other programmes, which every broadcaster does, are not the same as advertising. Oh yes they are! They cause the same amount of interuption, late starting ( I have found 5 minutes) and annoyance for their repetition EVERY time a programme ends plus BBC advertises theirselves on a regular basis. ALSO sport itself is not a disgrace (read the text) its the BBC's "You will watch this and nothing else" attitude that is the disgrace. I have no further comments to make, you have your opinion, I have mine. All I can say is I find very little to watch on ALL channels, you must be a lucky person if you get value for money. I certainly dont.

kcm_2

Judywain wrote: »

Cross channel promotions and trails for other programmes, which every broadcaster does, are not the same as advertising. Oh yes they are! They cause the same amount of interuption, late starting ( I have found 5 minutes) and annoyance for their repetition EVERY time a programme ends plus BBC advertises theirselves on a regular basis. ALSO sport itself is not a disgrace (read the text) its the BBC's "You will watch this and nothing else" attitude that is the disgrace. I have no further comments to make, you have your opinion, I have mine. All I can say is I find very little to watch on ALL channels, you must be a lucky person if you get value for money. I certainly dont.

If you don't like sport and / or the programme listings that's your opinion and I respect that as we all like different things. I have to agree with Lucylucky though, the BBC advertising the next show or the next programme on BBC3 is so completely different to ITV showing l'oreal adverts! Every single TV channel is well within their rights to let us know what they're showing, and they ALL do it, even if they do it a little too much which is sometimes a little annoying! None of them are any different in that regard. I really don't understand how you've made the link between an advert like, oh I dunno 'buy this skin cream and you'll immediately look like Angelina Jolie' for example that ITV etc get paid to show (too much!) and a bit of self promotion. They may both be annoying but they are most definitely not the same.

lucylucky

Judywain wrote: »

Cross channel promotions and trails for other programmes, which every broadcaster does, are not the same as advertising. Oh yes they are! They cause the same amount of interuption, late starting ( I have found 5 minutes) and annoyance for their repetition EVERY time a programme ends plus BBC advertises theirselves on a regular basis. ALSO sport itself is not a disgrace (read the text) its the BBC's "You will watch this and nothing else" attitude that is the disgrace. I have no further comments to make, you have your opinion, I have mine. All I can say is I find very little to watch on ALL channels, you must be a lucky person if you get value for money. I certainly dont.

Promotion/trails are by no means the same as advertising, although I agree that the delaying of a programme for a trail for another is most annoying.



When does the BBC have nothing but sport on everyone of its platforms?

Oh I know the answer myself...never.

If you find very little to watch then perhaps you could save yourself some money by only using catch up services therefore negating the need to pay for a licence.

rapido

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linzid

This tax was first imposed in 1923. If it had continued at the cost as a percentage of income as it was then (10 shillings/pa weekly income £2/12) it would now be £18.50 - according to the guardian web site i just read this on.
Really 87 years on isn't it time the BBC completely overhauled their funding model? Personally I would be much happier with a micro-payments model on iplayer and NO access to the BBC channels on my TV at all.
That way I could pay for the TV I want and I don't listen to BBC radio at all.
It's a tax pure and simple and in 2010 it's an obsolete tax

vokesey

lucylucky wrote: »

You need to look at the site properly as the info is there.

No licence is required to own a television.

Look for the link "What if a TV licence is not needed"

however, then try convincing them you aren't actually watching a live broadcast. I wasn't even aware how broad it had become, ie stretching to pc, mobiles and even games consoles. It's a joke.

vokesey

rapido wrote: »

No, in a broadcasting context, they are not.

"Advertising" refers to commercially paid spots that appear between or during programmes.

"Trails" or "Cross promotions" are non-commercial, and they are not "advertising" spots, and they don't appear during programmes (normally).

I would also argue that the BBC should not be running things late in order to show trails.

However trails between the programmes are far preferable to graphics and promos that appear during programmes/end credits.

-rapido

Will wonders ever cease, for once we actually agree, however i must ask why promoting any up and coming programs is annoying? Other than tv listings mags papers etc, how then would we be informed about such programs?

lucylucky

vokesey wrote: »

however, then try convincing them you aren't actually watching a live broadcast. I wasn't even aware how broad it had become, ie stretching to pc, mobiles and even games consoles. It's a joke.

The original point was made about needing a licence to own a TV - clearly you do not.

As TVL have no automatic right of entry into anyone's home it is up to them to prove that a person is watching live TV without a licence. Not the other way round. As games consoles can use iplayer to watch live broadcasts I cannot see how it is a "joke"

lucylucky

vokesey wrote: »

Will wonders ever cease, for once we actually agree, however i must ask why promoting any up and coming programs is annoying? Other than tv listings mags papers etc, how then would we be informed about such programs?

My argument would be that if there is space for a trail then fine, but do not delay the start of another programme because of it.

And for those on any channel who choose to crush the end titles and talk over the music, well they should be shot!

snapdragon69

I haven't had a license for 10 years.

I don't watch aerial/cable/satellite TV, but have a normal TV in the living room linked to an Apple Mac Mini. I use it to watch DVDs, youtube and stuff I download or get given, more recently I watch TV on demand from BBC, ITV, CH5 etc....

The only thing I would watch from the BBC is Top Gear, I can watch this legally on BBC iPlayer or youtube for free. I wouldn't mid paying say 30p an episode to watch it but there's no way I would pay £145 for crap I don't want. If the license was under £50, I would probably give it a go.

I can't stand the New Labour propaganda, the global warming lies or the other rot for the masses. I loathe the infantile adult documentaries they make in the name of inclusivity.

BBC stuff on youtube has adverts which you can't skip past and I think this is fair, but not if you DO have a license too.