Ema Problems

Oldernotwiser

Let's face it, does the country actually need nail technicians?

krisskross

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Let's face it, does the country actually need nail technicians?

Always the career choice of young women who are not academically minded. I have known a few do the courses including my grandaughter. Never met one who has managed to earn a living at it.

sunrise27_2

she is not entitled to anything as we earn more than the £30.810
we work hard to show our children that if you want more out of life you have to earn it
she would have still done the course even if she wasn't entitled to ema but because she was told she was she was going to put the money to good use
too many of her friends don't look for part time jobs they just rely on their ema payments and bonuses
how would you like to go somewhere and the people around you are getting money just for being there and bonuses for good attendance and just starting the course and you got nothing ???
just because we earn a good wage does not mean we can afford to give her £30 a week we provide a nice roof over our heads and show our children the importance of not getting into debt etc
my point about the driving lessons was that too many of her friends just spend it on clothes and make up she was going to put it to good use to help her get a job in the future -
I am disgusted at your view of nail technicians. My daughter did well in her exams, has just done a 2 year course in hairdressing , she is doing the nails as something extra to offer . She does have a part time job and will be doing some voluntary work at a local hairdressers on her only day off , she will be busy 7 days a week, she wants to go on and do a business course and eventually have her own salon - how dare you tar everyone with the same brush.
my point about the ema is that it was promised to her , she was told even after telling the college that she wasn't entitled to it that it was a different type of course and our income didn't come into it , she got the forms in on time and had made plans to get the best use out of the money to then be told a week and a half into the course that things had changed and she wasn't entitled to anything is just a little slightly unfair don't you think and to then find out if she'd just got the paperwork signed one day before she would still be entitled to it just rubs salt into the wounds doesn't it

AnxiousMum

sunrise27 wrote: »

because many students whos parents earn even just over the limit aren't entitled to any help so therefore cannot afford to carry on their education

But this isn't the case with you is it? You had said she would be saving the EMA money until AFTER her course to pay for driving lessons? We also earn over the £30,810 or whatever, but I've had to pay for the costs of schooling (school clothes, trips, lunches, transport etc.) since they were five years old, it doesn't change that much just 'cos they turn a certain age does it? However, when they turn 16, they are also capable of getting a part time job, and my son respects the £30 for each Sunday that he works far more than he would appreciate £30 from the government each week! He's managed to save a tidy little sum over the last two years between this job and the more casual catering events that he does.

MissMoneypenny

sunrise27 wrote: »

she is not entitled to anything as we earn more than the £30.810
we work hard to show our children that if you want more out of life you have to earn it
she would have still done the course even if she wasn't entitled to ema but because she was told she was she was going to put the money to good use
too many of her friends don't look for part time jobs they just rely on their ema payments and bonuses
how would you like to go somewhere and the people around you are getting money just for being there and bonuses for good attendance and just starting the course and you got nothing ???

My daughter was in the 6th form when they rolled EMA out in trial areas. She worked while others claimed EMA. Many of those claiming EMA then, are still claiming some sort of welfare payment/s now, while my daughter is a high rate tax payer. It's not good to learn to get something given to you for nothing. I hope this government stops EMA.

I always gave my children the welfare payments I was getting for them, which was just child benefit. Why don't you give your daughter her welfare payments (child benefit and tax credits) and get her to look for part time work if she wants more money?

Indie_Kid

sunrise27 wrote: »

how would you like to go somewhere and the people around you are getting money just for being there and bonuses for good attendance and just starting the course and you got nothing ???

Most colleges require people to be there all week and work before they give the students EMA.

Those who spend it on clothes, etc. are in the minority. The only clothes my EMA went on was clothes for work placement.

we work hard to show

My parents do too and I still got EMA.

sunrise27_2

AnxiousMum wrote: »

But this isn't the case with you is it? You had said she would be saving the EMA money until AFTER her course to pay for driving lessons? We also earn over the £30,810 or whatever, but I've had to pay for the costs of schooling (school clothes, trips, lunches, transport etc.) since they were five years old, it doesn't change that much just 'cos they turn a certain age does it? However, when they turn 16, they are also capable of getting a part time job, and my son respects the £30 for each Sunday that he works far more than he would appreciate £30 from the government each week! He's managed to save a tidy little sum over the last two years between this job and the more casual catering events that he does.

no this isn't the case I was just pointing out why it put some working people off carrying on with their education
I didn't say she would be saving the ema money until after her course
I said
She was looking long term and was going to use the ema to take driving lessons so that when the course finishes she is mobile to be able to go for different jobs or if there are no jobs available she can do mobile work.

I just think its unfair that we weren't told about the changes , they weren't on the website , the wrong information is still on some websites and she's been promised something and is now unable to get it - and for the sake of getting the paperwork signed just one day earlier this could have all been avoided

sunrise27_2

Worriedwife wrote: »

Hello, I agree entirely. At 16 they should be learning to start financing their own lives.
This EMA is crazy, why on earth should a student be given money to work at school and then get a bonus for attending? The mind boggles.
Yes, it should be done away with.
I am with you also on giving children their welfare benefits. That is what they are for. OK some would argue that it still costs money to keep them, but more importantly, I would think that self reliance is more important. Mind you Child Tax Credits didn't exist when my children were at school, it was just Family Allowance. From the age of 14, I handed them the money (family allowance) for them to save or spend as they wished, but if they wanted more., they had to work for it.

at the end of the day I do agree with you but when you are only one of 2 girls in a class it does seem unfair that they are literally being handed £30 a week to do exactly the same as you.
its also extremely unfair to be promised something right up to the very last minute and then have it taken away from you.
we should have been told of the new ruling
my daughter would then still have done the course but wouldn't have been expecting anything instead of having plans to use the money to better herself

welshmoneylover

sunrise27 wrote: »

because many students whos parents earn even just over the limit aren't entitled to any help so therefore cannot afford to carry on their education

So what's wrong with getting a part time job then?

Plenty of people do/have done it, myself included. There was no EMA when I done my A-levels, didn't stop me passing the exams :T

MissMoneypenny

Worriedwife wrote: »

but if they wanted more., they had to work for it.

Agreed. The best thing a parent can do for their child is to teach them a good work ethic.