~NRP~ Help Needed Desperately!~

bdt1

I was of the understanding that the Adjudicator was in relation to DWP Appeals, but for the likes of benefit appeals, and not CSA. If your case goes to Tribunal, it will be heard at a DWP Appeals Centre, which also hears cases such as medical appeals in relation to benefits etc. So, just wonder if the MP is unaware that (as far as I believe) there isn't an Adjudicator for CSA matters.

Please contact NACSA, Playinghardball has given sound advice, even if you don't go for the full package with NACSA, a pay as you go monthly membership is available, and they are worth their weight in gold. I'm sure a one off monthly membership is approx £30 their website will tell you.

You are doing the right thing, draft a letter to CSA CEO, send recorded delivery, await response then go to ICE.

kelloggs36

I agree - let NACSA do it for you - if they can't help, nobody can!

PlayingHardball

You only pay a monthly fee if you go for the full support package. Otherwise, its just £50. I'm recommending the full package, the price I explained is up to date and accurate.

Didismump

...You are all so kind with your advice..
I wish I was a a few years younger,simply as my health IS quite bad for my age (heart,thyroid,arthritus,
fibromyalgia,CFS and chronic degenerative spinal disease...but I AM alive..;)) and sadly what 'normal' people can cope with..I cannot, as any amount of stress causes a 'flare up' with my health probs...as has happened the past few days....:(
So..I had already said to my OH that I will send the letter to the CEO tomorrow ( took me ALL day to get my head around THAT one..and I PRAY I have written it ok)..and then I SHOULD get the letter from the MP ( don't think he has it in him to fight this case as he has been dealing with it since 1997 also...and from what I can see has only ever forwarded whatever I have sent him,rather than read it and pick it apart and look for 'loopholes' like YOU have ALL found for me/us..Bless you all...:))
IF it makes any mention of involving ICE then I will be onto them asap..
If not then I am looking into NACSA...and will HAVE to beg my daughter for help ( Bless her..she is only 26 and a rock to us both, as she is also our carer part-time too...when she is not working herself )..I am sure she will do all she can...but with paying for us to go away..I don't want to take the micky...
Any possible thoughts on how long this LO will take before the Bailiffs are on our doorstep....as my next thought is leaving the house with the house-sitters and telling them ALL...:( What a BUMMER!!!!

CRANKY40

There will be a liability order hearing before the liability order is granted. You will be notified of the date and given the chance to attend. If you are awaiting evidence such as the data protection print, you could attend the hearing and ask for an adjournment until you have the information that you require. It may or may not be granted, but I would have thought that this would push the dates past your holiday maybe?

Didismump

Phoned NACSA...you are ALL wonderful..:)
Only did the £20 subscription for now, at their advice...Couldn't get through until 2.50pm...They said it was a REALLY hectic day today..so have got to call back tomorrow morn to have a chat with an advisor...but they SEEM to think that my OH should have pushed more for a DNA test at the start and prior to assessment..as apparently after assessment it is then down to the ''NRP'' to prove parentage via self paid DNA test..however when I told them he received no paperwork until 1997..they said that we need the DPF for proof of when the MEF was sent out and where it was sent to..and go from there...
(As you have all already said..:))
SUCH a mess....going round in circles....anxiety is HIGH!!!

They also said that I should not have informed any of the people I wrote to last week that I had applied for the DPF (sadly I wrote in all the letters I sent telling them so...dammit!!!)..simply as the CSA have 'ways of doctoring evidence and DPF to suit themselves and make the case go in their favour''...
How MUCH does THAT stink????
They also advised that I try and get the Court hearing moved to a closer Court as I am registered disabled and can't travel easily..and will need to be taken to the Court to attend the hearing in my OH absence..so I guess THAT would give me more time to get the DPF IF I can get the hearing moved...
SO...a HUGE FANKOO again to you all.....

Am going to try and find out more about the Bailiffs now ( ANY ideas???) as I am petrified it will ALL work out that the housesitters are here when we are not...and IF they turn up then it will be SO unfair to them....:(
Any advice on this VERY welcome...:)

kelloggs36

When bailiffs arrive (if) housesitter says that you aren't here and therefore they do not have any authority to let them in or discuss the matter at all. They can't break in.

bdt1

Bailiffs obviously won't arrive until after the LO, so depending upon when your hols are, you can pretty much gauge when they will be starting to arrive.

Following the granting of a LO, they will start sniffing round in approx a fortnight or so, if you not in, they simply put a card in letterbox saying they have been. Under NO circumstances let them across the doorstep, or even open door to them, even an open window, can be deemed by them as an 'invitation' to access premises. If the Company used is Marston's (as was our case), they may also send you letters saying that they are legally allowed to send locksmiths to enter your premises, and change locks (this is a total lie, and I believe now they tend not to send such letter), but this is all scare tactics. On getting into your property a 1st time bailiffs will 'case the joint' and make up an itinery of saleable items, on a 2nd visit they can access your property and remove them. So trick is NEVER let them in.

As previoulsy said, if they cannot gain acces to your home, they will after 3 months (usually) refer the case back to CSA, who will then proceed with CCJ etc. Just bear in mind if your partner owns a particularly expensive car, he can change ownership to whoever he 'may' sell it to. If you have a motability car obvioulsy this is not an option for the bailiff.

As said, in our case, if anyone knocks who you do not recognise simply DO NOT answer the door to them, they do not pull up in white/removal vans, ours came in a Silver Astra, please all you can do is keep doors locked until they go away, and throw case back at CSA.

If you think your DPF is 'missing' some important documents - (in ours they lost nearly 100 pages of our bank statements which proved our innocence) then you can contact the ICO (Information Commissioner's Office) who will investigate a breach in Data Protection Law, they can also be contacted if CSA do not comply with the timeline of supplying you with the DPF in the stipulated 40 days. If this is the case, then this is something else to address with MP, but our DP File took in excess 3 months to arrive, and over 1 year later we were still telling CSA it was incomplete, and we had proof of such, they apologised for the missing documents in the end, but no 'financial redress' to date

PlayingHardball

Don't worry. So glad you contact NACSA, they are wonderful (I told you!) The good thing is you've got lots of paperwork from the very beginning, if bits and pieces (i before e?) are missing, you'll have some documentary proof.

Kelloggs is right, if your house sitter is 'house sitting' she/he simply does not have to allow entry to the house. You should not worry about this at all!

Where are you off on holiday? Anywhere nice?? - quite jealous!

Didismump

bdt1 wrote: »

Bailiffs obviously won't arrive until after the LO, so depending upon when your hols are, you can pretty much gauge when they will be starting to arrive.

Following the granting of a LO, they will start sniffing round in approx a fortnight or so, if you not in, they simply put a card in letterbox saying they have been. Under NO circumstances let them across the doorstep, or even open door to them, even an open window, can be deemed by them as an 'invitation' to access premises. If the Company used is Marston's (as was our case), they may also send you letters saying that they are legally allowed to send locksmiths to enter your premises, and change locks (this is a total lie, and I believe now they tend not to send such letter), but this is all scare tactics. On getting into your property a 1st time bailiffs will 'case the joint' and make up an itinery of saleable items, on a 2nd visit they can access your property and remove them. So trick is NEVER let them in.

As previoulsy said, if they cannot gain acces to your home, they will after 3 months (usually) refer the case back to CSA, who will then proceed with CCJ etc. Just bear in mind if your partner owns a particularly expensive car, he can change ownership to whoever he 'may' sell it to. If you have a motability car obvioulsy this is not an option for the bailiff.

As said, in our case, if anyone knocks who you do not recognise simply DO NOT answer the door to them, they do not pull up in white/removal vans, ours came in a Silver Astra, please all you can do is keep doors locked until they go away, and throw case back at CSA.

If you think your DPF is 'missing' some important documents - (in ours they lost nearly 100 pages of our bank statements which proved our innocence) then you can contact the ICO (Information Commissioner's Office) who will investigate a breach in Data Protection Law, they can also be contacted if CSA do not comply with the timeline of supplying you with the DPF in the stipulated 40 days. If this is the case, then this is something else to address with MP, but our DP File took in excess 3 months to arrive, and over 1 year later we were still telling CSA it was incomplete, and we had proof of such, they apologised for the missing documents in the end, but no 'financial redress' to date

How long will it take now for the Enforcement to go to Court???
Just wondering..on the time scale as to whether we will be away or still here when they start arriving....
Also..what hours do Bailiffs work???are they likely to come 'out of hours' ???
And can they access ( climbing over fences/gates) sheds and garages also???
Silly to ask..but will they 'take' things like garden ornaments,bird-feeders and pots etc ( silly I know but as we have no social life either, our garden IS our little bit of 'happiness')

I have written to the CEO asking for a suspension of the Enforcement as advised previously... is this likely to happen???

I know I must not open the door..( I never do anyway as we have one of those spy-holes..and I always keep doors locked 24/7 as I am very safety conscious)..but I am scared that the housesitters will forget...:o

Our car is motability...plus DD car will be on the drive too..but it is in her name ( will they do checks on both cars????)

I am anticipating the DPF being 'doctored' now..but I DO have most of the paperwork in his file, that we have compiled over the years..so I can compare and see what is missing..;)
My biggest want is the MEF ..as I HAVE to find some proof from somewhere ( am going to contact his Bank for old statements..but again THAT will cost...dammit!!!) as to where he was living when it was sent, as he is adamant that he never received anything until 1997..and I know they won't be able to make up addresses as they do not know all the addresses he lived at..
I will involve NACSA more if necessary..as DD has said she will pay the £150 if needed..;)
Rotten thing to have to expect,especially as she went through a rotten time with the CSA with her Father ( who DID get a funded DNA test... even though we were married when she was conceived and for 6 years after..and his name was on her birth certificate...AND after the DNA test came back 99.99% recurring he STILL denied paternity..so that finished her with him)
Funny how its one rule for one..and another for another...or so it seems in mine and my OH cases.
Finally...I think MP is starting to get fed up...gut feeling..but there seems to be no help from his corner now..:o
So its NACSA...and what about 'A Fairer CSA For ALL'..has anyone tried them???