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Lotus-eater

rhiwfield wrote: »

These "she said that, he said this" multiple-point posts are becoming impossible to follow

Agreed and I allowed myself to be drawn in last time. CB's posts are difficult to follow and ramble around any subject that is being discussed, bringing in many other daft subjects.

rhiwfield wrote: »

Many of the posts on here relate to a life of reduced reliance on oil, less need for transport of food, reduced use of fertilisers and pesticides, acceptance of a simpler, less consumptive way of life and a greater use of renewable, sustainable energy and materials. A life that doesnt create pollution and environmental degradation. A life where people behave responsibly and consider themselves stewards of the land rather than smash and grab exploiters.

Is that such a shameful thing to wish for?

No, it's not and the thread started off as a simple one, good piece of writing.

cootambear

While I have found this threat stimulating - I have found myself having to research areas that I am unfamiliar with, (such as shale oil technologies lol), at least for me, I feel it must come to an end. I am heartened that the debate has never become focussed on the personal. It has been however marked by frustration on both sides. I have often felt at times that people have had fixed prejudices that were simply not open to rational challenge, and I am sure many have thought that of me. Therefore I won`t be posting again on this threat. Happy gardening

olly300

cootambear wrote: »

While I have found this threat stimulating - I have found myself having to research areas that I am unfamiliar with, (such as shale oil technologies lol), at least for me, I feel it must come to an end. I am heartened that the debate has never become focussed on the personal. It has been however marked by frustration on both sides. I have often felt at times that people have had fixed prejudices that were simply not open to rational challenge, and I am sure many have thought that of me. Therefore I won`t be posting again on this threat. Happy gardening

The only fixed prejudices I see are people not wanting to muck around with nature "too much".

And to be honest there are historic reasons why including drug scares i.e. thalidomide and the nasty things people have done to each other i.e. eugenics and forced sterilisation of certain sectors of society and the environment i.e. Aral Sea in the name of science and progress, then who can blame them?

Even at home you can look at gardens around you and see the problem humans have created for themselves introducing foreign species like grey squirrels and Japanese knotweed.

Humans may be creative but there are many historical lessons around showing that in creating or doing something which may look benign you may cause worse problems.

Back on topic many areas now have a Transition Towns movement - http://www.transitiontowns.org/ the idea of them is as to quote rhiwfield

Many of the posts on here relate to a life of reduced reliance on oil, less need for transport of food, reduced use of fertilisers and pesticides, acceptance of a simpler, less consumptive way of life and a greater use of renewable, sustainable energy and materials. A life that doesnt create pollution and environmental degradation. A life where people behave responsibly and consider themselves stewards of the land rather than smash and grab exploiters.

While a minority of the people in each group are avid Greens the majority of people are normal and just are willing to do a bit extra if it meets the groups objectives and saves them money. Some groups are also have specific interests in planning applications.

cootambear

To answer an earlier point, on average it takes 1 barrel of oil to extract 16 barrels.

olly300 wrote: »

The only fixed prejudices I see are people not wanting to muck around with nature "too much".

Oh dear I thought I could lay this to rest. OK, none of us want to `muck around too much`. Can we just agree that certain improvements are worthwhile? What do you think of the GM malaria free mosquito? Do you think its a good thing to save hundreds of thousands of lives a year or is that too much `mucking around`?


And to be honest there are historic reasons why including drug scares i.e. thalidomide

You are taking the worst scenario and applying it to the whole which is a logical fallacy. Tragic as it was, it is shocking precisely because such events are so rare. Lets take surgery. In its early days it probably killed more people than it saved? But should its development have been stopped?
Should medical research in general be stopped in case there is another thalidomide? If you think so fair enough, but if I was a sufferer of a disease where there is no cure I would not want research stopped.




and the nasty things people have done to each other i.e. eugenics and forced sterilisation of certain sectors of society and the environment i.e. Aral Sea in the name of science and progress, then who can blame them?



The eugenics movement was started by people who had a sick, crazy notion. Their theory was that there were `too many people on the planet`.

We can give many examples of where people have done evil things in the name of perceived good.
Are you patriotic? - well look what the nazis did, you shouldnt be.
Do you believe in Christianity? - well you shouldnt be, look how many were tortured and died in the spanish inquisition.
Are you a muslim? You shouldnt be because of 9/11
Are you a socialist - you shouldnt be because of Stalinism







Even at home you can look at gardens around you and see the problem humans have created for themselves introducing foreign species like grey squirrels and Japanese knotweed.

I like squirrels. Anyway many of the wild animals we like to think of as our own, like cute fluffy bunnies, were intriductions. Hundreds of garden plants, introductions. Potatoes and tomatoes, introductions. Again, we cannot base a reasoned argument on the small number of examples that have not been beneficial.

Humans may be creative but there are many historical lessons around showing that in creating or doing something which may look benign you may cause worse problems.

Back on topic many areas now have a Transition Towns movement - http://www.transitiontowns.org/ the idea of them is as to quote rhiwfield



While a minority of the people in each group are avid Greens the majority of people are normal and just are willing to do a bit extra if it meets the groups objectives and saves them money. Some groups are also have specific interests in planning applications.

COOLTRIKERCHICK

i had some lovey new potatoes from my garden today....

from plot ..to pot... to plate.... within half an hour....... priceless...

the taste was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

i mean soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

mass produced shop bought potatoes are not a patch on your own grown spuds.....you can see, i mean taste why so many people want to live the dream of Tom and Barbara.....

ok in reality in this day and age we might not be able to do it.... but flip if i had the chance i would give it a dam good go

Lotus-eater

It was our village garden show this weekend, I'd been holding back picking the french beans, so I had a good choice for the show entry, my sacrifice was well placed when I managed to beat a very strong field of entries, well chuffed.
It also meant that we had a massive slap up veg feast last night, using up as much of the show produce as possible, squeaky green beans were coming out of our ears, that was our first big french bean meal and one I always look forward to.

Today another well looked forward to meal, our first garden cucumber. I wish the tomatoes would hurry up, my fault for being late in sowing them.

Lotus-eater

cootambear wrote: »

Therefore I won`t be posting again on this threat. Happy gardening

You too.

cootambear wrote: »

I like squirrels

Interesting, but I thought you weren't posting again?

COOLTRIKERCHICK

Lotus-eater wrote: »

It was our village garden show this weekend, I'd been holding back picking the french beans, so I had a good choice for the show entry, my sacrifice was well placed when I managed to beat a very strong field of entries, well chuffed.
It also meant that we had a massive slap up veg feast last night, using up as much of the show produce as possible, squeaky green beans were coming out of our ears, that was our first big french bean meal and one I always look forward to.

Today another well looked forward to meal, our first garden cucumber. I wish the tomatoes would hurry up, my fault for being late in sowing them.

cool well done Lotus:T i bet it was agony, waiting for the show before eating any of those french beans...

I cant wait for my runner beans...... big plate full with lashings of butter, new potatoes from the garden, and lovely fried bacon...... the first plate full of this, is one of the best meals of the year...for me...:D

cootambear

Lotus-eater wrote: »

You too.

Interesting, but I thought you weren't posting again?

Ya but someone started the discussion off again, lol.

Lotus-eater

COOLTRIKERCHICK wrote: »

cool well done Lotus:T i bet it was agony, waiting for the show before eating any of those french beans...

Ahh, it wasn't too bad tbh, I've been stuffing my face with courgettes for a few weeks, so at least there has been something from the garden. I'm quite glad the beans are going to be coming on strong now though, I'm a bit, all courgetted out.

Hope everyone else's self sufficient harvest is coming on well.