MSE News: The hidden Budget benefits cut at £25,000

missymugwump

The worlds gone mad
It's all the "PC" stuff and "human rights" everyone knows their rights but it appears not their responsibilities

Deepmistrust

missymugwump wrote: »

The worlds gone mad
It's all the "PC" stuff and "human rights" everyone knows their rights but it appears not their responsibilities

Yeah, fancy people having rights. We should go back to the olden days, when folk didn't have any.:rotfl:Then the institutions and the ruling elite, really could do as they pleased with no consequence. (I guess you're not one of them either, but feel free to carry on supporting the removal of your rights ).

"PC" is meaningless rhetoric, normally spouted with the slogan "the worlds gone mad" by people too lazy to think.

Snakeeyes21

I have no sympathy, the benefits system isnt cast in stone, it can change at any time, having kids on the basis that the government can bail you out instead of you providing for them isnt any way to bring life in to the world.
25k a year is more than enough to bring up children, without having various other benefits on top
Those that say it isnt are obviously doing it wrong.
Really is losing a few quid a week really going to make them fall in to poverty and starve?

Deepmistrust

Snakeeyes21 wrote: »

I have no sympathy, the benefits system isnt cast in stone, it can change at any time, having kids on the basis that the government can bail you out instead of you providing for them isnt any way to bring life in to the world.
25k a year is more than enough to bring up children, without having various other benefits on top.
Those that say it isnt are obviously doing it wrong.

It's true it isn't cast in stone, after all, it took years of fighting for welfare state to be here at all. That isn't to say that any attempts to remove the basics of the what the welfare state is for, shouldn't be opposed, if ever the need arose.

The government isn't "bailing" anyone out (except maybe banks). The role of the state is to look after its citizens. After all, it's supposed to look after the interests of the people, not that of businesses. That's how workers won rights, and how free healthcare for all was born.

Sure it can do away with the welfare state completely, but then it would also have to devise a fairer system for it's citizens to enable them to provide for their families adequately. And the current capitalist way also would have to be completely overthrown.


25k is relative. A families rent in London alone could eat all of that salary after tax.

chickonwheels

Wow. The fact is...this is very lazy country but it seems it is coming to an end. However nobody will become homeless as a result.
I do not mind if they take my child benefit. I will do anything to make sure my child has everything it needs. In my case...stop smoking. Voila...£25 pw saved If they want to take my £20 pw of tax credits...fine. I will drive less and walk more and voila...money saved. And both my husband and I work full time. We have a mortgage, we have a car and motorbike,we go on holidays and whenever we have time we drive down to the seaside for a day out...we save...yes we can still save a small amount of money...BUT we do not spend days out in pubs, we do not dine out every other day, we do not spend money on stupid things but still enjoy the life to the full even with our little 8 months old baby. I am a lucky bustard tough my mum helps one day a week to look after my baby...and other three it is my hubby that stays with him.
Bloody hell imagine living in some corrupted country were you get your salary every couple of months...or even never...but you have to pay all the bills...no food on the table sometimes...imagine that and say AMEN!

sarflee

Problem with the £25,000 cut off, I would agree that for the majority this should be enough to provide for a family with 1 or 2 kids, but tax credits include car benefit and other benefits as an income. A lot of people have to have a company car to do the job, not by choice, and the government keep putting the rates up and up. Even a very basic model, without private fuel, could end up being assessed as £5000 income a year. A lot of families would struggle on just £20,000 income with little help.

A lot of people say it is choice, but I am very glad I live in a society where just because you don't earn as much as someone else you are still given the chance to bring up a family and receive a little help. It doesn't mean you don't work just as hard.

As an aside, I thought the budget was fair yesterday. I used to work in the public sector, made redundant due to the cuts and received very little redundancy. Luckily my partner earns a decent wage so we do not need benefits. We do receive basic tax credits but this will be cut shortly due to this budget. I'm happy as long as everyone else is made to pay their fair share which this budget when some way to doing.

toonbaz

Snakeeyes21 wrote: »

I have no sympathy, the benefits system isnt cast in stone, it can change at any time, having kids on the basis that the government can bail you out instead of you providing for them isnt any way to bring life in to the world.
25k a year is more than enough to bring up children, without having various other benefits on top
Those that say it isnt are obviously doing it wrong.
Really is losing a few quid a week really going to make them fall in to poverty and starve?

this is so true and there are so many people that now take the money for granted without realising that it could be taken away at some point, it amazes me that for years now banks and loan providers have been accepting tax credit award notices as proof of income, how many people have been given finance on the strength of tax credit income which could reduce at any time.

catastrophe10

We have to remember that 'security' is a very vague term.
Any moment things could turn for the worse, a tragic car accident, you break your back, never to walk again, you develop a terminal illness, anything. Yes, working hard to pay for those on benefits like myself IS tough, and trust me, there is not a day goes by that I do not feel shame for claiming. However, one day something may happen when you need them, it happened to me, and I wouldn't wish the day to day humiliation on anyone.

DX2

catastrophe10 wrote: »

We have to remember that 'security' is a very vague term.
Any moment things could turn for the worse, a tragic car accident, you break your back, never to walk again, you develop a terminal illness, anything. Yes, working hard to pay for those on benefits like myself IS tough, and trust me, there is not a day goes by that I do not feel shame for claiming. However, one day something may happen when you need them, it happened to me, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

The thing is no one begrudges the genuine people in need, it's the career claimants that people are mighty p!ssed about.

pault123

concur the genuine people are more than welcome

Its the career baby poppers who want to live the life of no work, sat at home watching jeremy kyle all day!