Lib Dems sell out

Sapphire

People in this country will be able to cope with the VAT increase.

All people? Thats good then.

Yes, of course they all will. The VAT increase really won't make much difference to their way of life. People in this country have become incredibly spoiled and many think they are badly off when they are living lives of luxury compared to 95 per cent of the world.

Fact is, many people in this country have been living beyond their means for the last ten years, and accumulated a mountain of debt in the process, without a thought for the future. Now it is payback time

But that just contradicts your above statement of fact.

How?

1984ReturnsForReal_2

Sapphire wrote: »

How?

People cannot live above their means & have cash leftover unless they had a stash of cash in the first place.


As for you thanking Sparticus' comment, I think he needs to look at the time & date I posted this thread & the date & time of the first news report on Nick Clegg compromising himself...

But Sparticus has limited intelligence, is narrow minded & tends to ignore facts so I tend to excuse his ignorance . Let alone his presumption I & others didn't vote Lib Dem on the basis of economic policy....


Edit: & the age of living beyond your means started with the Tories about 15 years ago not 10.

Jennifer_Jane

Thanks Sapphire for your post.

Before the election I looked very carefully at all the manifestos, and despite coming from a traditional Liberal background (including having a great-uncle or so who was a Liberal cabinet minister), and having voted LibDem previously, I went for the Conservatives this time. Their manifesto seemed better to my mind for the Nation than the others, and the more I saw of David Cameron, the more statesmanlike I felt he would become.

As it happens I now cannot abide the Labour Party. What a dreadful bunch they are. They've lied, taken us to war illegally, sold the gold cheaply, increased the gap between rich and poor (I know, I'm on the poor side) and are still using the same Alastair Campbell/Peter Mandelson-generated rhetoric to sneer and pillory the LibDems and the Coalition.

This is new politics, there may be a few glitches along the way, but to me the coalition is a positive thing, and should be encouraged. Well done to Nick Clegg and his LibDems and David Cameron and his lot for doing this. I believe fervently in the coalition, and nothing will ever persuade me to vote Labour. They disgust me when I see them on Question-Time etc. Horrible, horrible, snide liars.

leveller2911

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

This is new politics, there may be a few glitches along the way, but to me the coalition is a positive thing, and should be encouraged. Well done to Nick Clegg and his LibDems and David Cameron and his lot for doing this. I believe fervently in the coalition, and nothing will ever persuade me to vote Labour. They disgust me when I see them on Question-Time etc. Horrible, horrible, snide liars.

They are ALL snide liars, the reason your wrath is centred on Labour is because they have been in government for the last 13yrs.

Give the current Coalition 2-3 yrs and IMO you will also see their true colours.Having lived under a Tory government in the 80,s and the last Nu-Lab bunch of morons they were equaly bad.You could say however ,at least the Tories were more Pro British than Labour were.

You only need to look at the supposed changes to the benefit system ,all the have done is tinker around the edges.

I went to a Charity Ball last night and a good friend of mine who works on the front desk of the local benefits office told me one of the biggest problems she is seeing is people from Eastern Europe going into her office, they sign a piece of paper saying they are self employed and hay presto they are entitled to Housing Benefit.
She also said they have no way of checking this out because the computer system is not linked to HMRC tax ofices.Until we have STRONG government things like this will get worse and I for one have no confidence in Cameron....His saving grace is he's Not Labour...


PS: Remember we taxpayers are still sending Child benefit to people from Eastern Europe who have gone home..They come back for 3 weeks ,sign on with a work agency, work for those 3 weeks , they then go home and are entitled to Child benefit......This is FACT...

The benefit system is a money pit.....Strong, honest government is the only way, but i'm doubtful we will get it.

lvader

leveller2911 wrote: »

PS: Remember we taxpayers are still sending Child benefit to people from Eastern Europe who have gone home..They come back for 3 weeks ,sign on with a work agency, work for those 3 weeks , they then go home and are entitled to Child benefit......This is FACT...
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It's not a fact, EU citizens have to work and pay tax here for 12 months before they can claim child benefit.

ash28

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

Thanks Sapphire for your post.

Before the election I looked very carefully at all the manifestos, and despite coming from a traditional Liberal background (including having a great-uncle or so who was a Liberal cabinet minister), and having voted LibDem previously, I went for the Conservatives this time. Their manifesto seemed better to my mind for the Nation than the others, and the more I saw of David Cameron, the more statesmanlike I felt he would become.

As it happens I now cannot abide the Labour Party. What a dreadful bunch they are. They've lied, taken us to war illegally, sold the gold cheaply, increased the gap between rich and poor (I know, I'm on the poor side) and are still using the same Alastair Campbell/Peter Mandelson-generated rhetoric to sneer and pillory the LibDems and the Coalition.

This is new politics, there may be a few glitches along the way, but to me the coalition is a positive thing, and should be encouraged. Well done to Nick Clegg and his LibDems and David Cameron and his lot for doing this. I believe fervently in the coalition, and nothing will ever persuade me to vote Labour. They disgust me when I see them on Question-Time etc. Horrible, horrible, snide liars.

Come back in 5 years.........

I had faith in 1979 - by the mid 80's that had gone and by the mid 90's, I for one, was desperate for a new government.

I had faith in 1997....... I had some faith on May 7th 2010...

Today I have no faith at all....... they've governed for less than 2 months and already are less than truthful. The spin is still there, just replace Campbell with Coulson/Hilton. And the Conservatives and Libdems didn't pillory of course, either in parliament or during the election.

For all the rhetoric coming out of the coalition they are just another bunch of politicians who at the end of the day will look after themselves, just as those who went before them and those who will come after them.

I will never, ever trust a politician.

They disgust me when I see them on Question-Time etc. Horrible, horrible, snide liars.

Your sentence above sums up my feelings about the coalition- especially the Libdem part of it - in fact I watched QT on Thursday and thought St Vince looked a shadow of what he was before the election - and sounded it too.

But it would be a funny old place if we all agreed....

Jacey53

Contrary to previous posts I believe that there are people in this country who are, if not starving to death, very close to it.

No matter who is in power, the real work that needs to be done to improve the long term position will not happen.

There would be real savings to be made in the public sector, but no government has ever been willing to tackle them as it would require a large investment for about a decade before any substantial benefit could be realised. No party is willing to look that far in the future, in case another party reaps the benefit. The "reforms" that each successive government lays claim to is merely ineffective tinkering.

We also need to re-introduce a solid manufacturing base. The country is totally reliant on imports of goods, to which we add no value. We have the ability to produce some raw materials (food, wool etc) - others will think of lots more - which will leave us less vulnerable to external money markets and imports. We must look at how many people we can feed and house, and how many workers we need for various industries and tailor immigration to the nation's requirements.

Profiteering by huge companies must be curbed and the tax laws must be tightened so that they pay tax commensurate with what they take in.

Benefits would be controlled, but by making sure people had work that they were capable of doing - not trying to force people into non-existant jobs.

I'm not tring to blame any party, but the party political system itself prevents real change which would reap rewards in the future.

Open to the floor:)

Rochdale_Pioneers

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

As it happens I now cannot abide the Labour Party. What a dreadful bunch they are. They've lied, taken us to war illegally, sold the gold cheaply, increased the gap between rich and poor (I know, I'm on the poor side) and are still using the same Alastair Campbell/Peter Mandelson-generated rhetoric to sneer and pillory the LibDems and the Coalition.

This is new politics, there may be a few glitches along the way, but to me the coalition is a positive thing, and should be encouraged. Well done to Nick Clegg and his LibDems and David Cameron and his lot for doing this. I believe fervently in the coalition, and nothing will ever persuade me to vote Labour. They disgust me when I see them on Question-Time etc. Horrible, horrible, snide liars.

Well if you are poor then congratulations! You just voted to get f'd in the a. The truth about the budget is that its massively regressive - hitting the poorest and most vulnerable in society to provide Osborne with a warchest for a 2015 pre-election budget giveaway to people better off than you. Thats according to the IFS anyway who crunched the numbers.

Regardless of what you thought about Labour, their budgets were generally redistributive from well off to less well off. Thats all finished now. Enjoy paying for middle class tax cuts!

A._Badger

Unlike Jennifer_Jane, I am no fan of the coalition but I applaud her contempt for the misfits, grotesques, liars, cheats, twisters and 10th rate 1970s student politicians who have finally been turfed out of office.

After 13 years of lies, control-freakery, gross economic mismanagement and contempt for our basic freedoms under Common Law, the NuLabour Taliban have gone. Compared with them, even Cameron and Clegg seem like an improvement.

And that's a measure of how bad Labour was - not how good Cameron and Co are.

treliac

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

Regardless of what you thought about Labour, their budgets were generally redistributive from well off to less well off.

Cobblers!.................