Budget - tougher for DLA claimants

blue_monkey_2

Flutter wrote: »

And some don't in that time.

How would DLA have helped me with depression? Serious question. It would not have helped me trying to top myself. Counselling might of though, better access to counselling is required.

Maybe the medics should give the green light for application and not the person with the condition, then the DLA can send the forms to the person. This would ensure that those without a genuine claim cannot ring for a form.

Then if your depression requires DLA there would be a consultant who has agreed your condition requires it.

kunekune

What worries me - alongside, obviously, the involvement of ATOS if that is on the cards - is that the policy does not seem to recognise that DLA is not actually about medical need. It is about the extra help someone needs to be integrated in society, including a job, where they have a disability of some kind. That disability may not be permanent or visible or even (technically) formally diagnosed. DLA is about a social not a medical model of disability ... Either the Chancellor and his team do not know that, or the real plan is to change the whole basis of DLA so it just becomes a payment to those with certain diagnoses, policed by so-called medical professionals. I am anticipating ... "you can work - hey, ATOS says that - so why would you need DLA??".

(I'm a carer, not a claimant, but it's a worry from our side of the fence too)

Oldernotwiser

Jo_King wrote: »

What I don't understand is why they don't scrap the forms, and depend on reports from our GPs, consultants and other health care professionals. Surely they know us, and how our conditions impact us, better than anyone else? .

Unfortunately, not everybody with a chronic condition is under the care of a specialist and many people have their GPs wrapped round their little fingers.

MRSTITTLEMOUSE

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Unfortunately, not everybody with a chronic condition is under the care of a specialist and many people have their GPs wrapped round their little fingers.

I have to say I have never ever had a GP that I could "manipulate" to my advantage.
Luckily I've never been in a position to need the services of my GP much but when I have seen him or her they make it pretty clear they make the decisions and are in charge.
I can't see many GPs risking their professional reputation by allowing the patient to call the shots to be honest.

GlasweJen

Oh littlemouse they exist!

I think the DLA policy will be watered down closer to 2013 because the sheer logistics of giving a medical to everyone will be too costly and wont get them anywhere, i'll still have a pacemaker and a crap vagus nerve in 2013, i'll likely still have continence problems and i'll still be collapsing a few times a week so i'll start accumulating dates when i end up in A&E through injuring myself and see how many I can get in 3 years.

de1amo

its people pulling the fast one over a GP who has about 5 minutes with each client---a diagnosis of most illnesses is done by a specialist who the Gp probably referred the person to many years ago and the GP just rubber stamps the diagnosis when asked to comment by the DWP or DLA people---i hardly see my GP because he can do little for a mental illness and i dont like doctors!--he just fills my prescription and i keep my own care with the help of my wife (who receives no allowance)--it costs 2500 odd for a week in a mental hospital so my wife does a fine job for society and the dla pays for the essentials for what its worth

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GlasweJen wrote: »

Oh littlemouse they exist!

I think the DLA policy will be watered down closer to 2013 because the sheer logistics of giving a medical to everyone will be too costly and wont get them anywhere, i'll still have a pacemaker and a crap vagus nerve in 2013, i'll likely still have continence problems and i'll still be collapsing a few times a week so i'll start accumulating dates when i end up in A&E through injuring myself and see how many I can get in 3 years.

I do actually think it will get them somewhere. Like I said it'll cost a lot and take time to give everyone medicals but in the long term they'll be paying out a lot less in DLA to people who dont actually qualify.
That doesnt mean you or people like you, but those who do con their GP and manage to get the benefit based mostly on what they claim is happening rather than any real medical evidence due to their doc not really knowing them or if they are ill.

MRSTITTLEMOUSE

GlasweJen wrote: »

Oh littlemouse they exist! QUOTE]

must say I must just have a scary one then as my GP is quite fierce.I find myself sitting like a schoolgirl in the headmistresses office when I go :rotfl:.
My husband is so afraid of her he has'nt been to the doctors in over 18 years,luckily he has the constitution of an ox.

de1amo

a GP will never investigate a patient's condition unless the patient comes and says 'i am better' and i want a note to say so to the DWP or DLA docs--most people say no change doc and he has to take this on face value--he never made the diagnosis he just refferred the patient to a specialist who just diagnoses and then passes the patient back to the GP for life long care.
Despite having a major mental illness and taking some pretty heavy duty drugs i never see a consultant now because there is nothing that can be done to change the diagnosis or improve my health--if i relapse then i am sure the gp will pass me back into the system--my GP to my knowledge cant even change my meds that were prescribed 7 years ago by a consultant

tessie_bear

i havent read thread so sorry if this is already mentioned....i was wondering how this affects kids who get dla ? i suppose they will have to go for a medical ? i wonder where they will do said meds