School declined holidays and branded the kids truants

Mellowyellow_2

AnthonyUK wrote: »

You can start by leaving me alone. That's where you should start

Now that's far better, well done:T:T

blue_monkey_2

AnthonyUK wrote: »

You're a pig!

Are you my husband skiving off work? He calls me that too...... ooiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnk

:rotfl:

poet123

Children, children!:(

OK, let's take the point raised by the link above. This is what the document says and what it actually means.

• Should a school not agree to grant leave and the parents take their child on holiday regardless then this will be counted as unauthorised absence - this is the same as 'truancy'.

• The school and the Education Welfare Officer may consider issuing a Fixed Penalty Fine of £50 for this period of unauthorised absence.


So, fines may be imposed, no mention of losing school places for up unauthorised absence. No period specified, but let's assume the 10 rule is in play. Fine is worst case scenario.


Should leave be granted but the child remain absent for longer than agreed then this extra time will be recorded as unauthorised absence.

• Should a child fail to return to school within 10 school days of the agreed return date and there is no contact from the parents the school may remove the child's name from the school roll. The school may also inform its Education Welfare Officer. In these circumstances the parents would be responsible for ensuring that their child was registered at and attended another school. (This would mean parents would not be entitled to receive any assistance

So, in cases where the child is absent for a period exceeding a minimum of 20 days (and it actually could be much longer if the extended leave mentioned below had been authorised) without contact from parents, their name may be removed from role.

That is perfectly reasonbable, and not something many oarents would do, so they are unlikely to fall foul of that problem, even then, the word used is "may" be removed from role, not will be removed from role, there will be leeway.

And below is where the leeway lies, if as happens regularly in the school where I am a Governor, parents wish to take their child back to their home country of India or Pakistan,or visit family in Australia the school will give consideration to periods of up to 6 weeks (in my experience)


Occasionally holidays of more than 10 days to visit family overseas may be unavoidable. In such circumstances schools will recognise the importance and significance such visits often have and will wish to ensure that a positive discussion with the parents takes place beforehand.
Schools will stress to parents the likely educational impact upon their child if extended leave is taken during term-time. Schools will also seek to explain what work the child will miss at school, how this may be addressed on return and how the parents can help the child.
Schools may also consider giving the child work to do while he or she is away.




So there we have it, no evidence that unless the parent is being unreasonable (by taking too much time, and not contacting the school) any action stronger than a fine will be imposed, and in most cases not even that.



Over to you Anthony UK for some actual, not manipulated evidence to back up your assertions.

Oh, and if you could do it civilly, and in an adult fashion that would be a bonus too.

Murphy_The_Cat

poet123 wrote: »

Children, children!:(

Oh, and if you could do it civilly, and in an adult fashion that would be a bonus too.

& there was me considering how incredibly restrained I was being

But you are right.

anderson8

AnthonyUK wrote: »

http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/A712723D-B065-42FC-8319-ECD3FC5D93ED/0/092FamilyHolidaysInfoforParentsLeafletFeb2010.pdf

This council DOES remove school places for taking holidays in termtime if you go for more than the 10 days you have booked and you don't inform the school (and in that case YOU as parents are responsible for ensuring your child attends another school;so it does mean that if you take 2 weeks termtime holiday from school under this council area you will lose your kids school places .

if you took your kid on a two week holiday, then that would only be 10 school days so technically not over

blue_monkey_2

AnthonyUK wrote: »

http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/A712723D-B065-42FC-8319-ECD3FC5D93ED/0/092FamilyHolidaysInfoforParentsLeafletFeb2010.pdf

This council DOES remove school places for taking holidays in termtime if you go for more than the 10 days you have booked and you don't inform the school (and in that case YOU as parents are responsible for ensuring your child attends another school;so it does mean that if you take 2 weeks termtime holiday from school under this council area you will lose your kids school places and you won't get any help with school transport either if you do)and they do make parents seek other school places for doing so if you fail to return and you are taken off the school register losing your places as a result taking such termtime holidays. And just because a holiday is cheaper in termtime it DOESN'T entitle you to still have it AND the law says parents DO NOT have an automatic right or entitlement to take children out of school for the purposes of termtime holidays. Also if you go over a school's rules on termtime holidays and take them out regardless then it is counted as unauthorised absence which means it IS branded truancy, and then the fine kicks in. And you will only get termtime leave in the circumstances explained in the document.

I hate all of you for picking on me.

Are you fishing again, are you that desperate for something to back up what you re saying. Did you even bother reading it?

It says 'Should the child fail to return to school within 10 days of the AGREED DATE and there is no contact from the parents the child MAY be removed from the school roll.'

Did you note the 'agreed date' bit? And the bit about it being 10 days over the agreed date? This means the schools do agree to let the kids out of school.

And it also says that they will let the child out of school for a period of time for a one off unique holiday experience. So yes, a holiday to Florida that the child will not be able to go on at any other time of year because it is too hot or expensive will be allowed to go.

[insert smug smiley here]

blue_monkey_2

anderson8 wrote: »

if you took your kid on a two week holiday, then that would only be 10 school days so technically not over

Yes but it says 10 days more than the AGREED date. So if you have 10 days agreed off then keep your child off school for another 2 weeks then this is when it comes into play. And yes, that would be totally acceptable unless the child was ill.

I wonder what happened when those kids got stuck in Florida after the Easter break because of the volcano? I wonder how many of them lost school places as some where stuck over there for 2-3 weeks.

poet123

blue_monkey wrote: »

Yes but it says 10 days more than the AGREED date. So if you have 10 days agreed off then keep your child off school for another 2 weeks then this is when it comes into play. And yes, that would be totally acceptable unless the child was ill.

I wonder what happened when those kids got stuck in Florida after the Easter break because of the volcano? I wonder how many of them lost school places as some where stuck over there for 2-3 weeks.

They are all still on role at my school. Good point.:D

easy

blue_monkey wrote: »

I wonder what happened when those kids got stuck in Florida after the Easter break because of the volcano? I wonder how many of them lost school places as some where stuck over there for 2-3 weeks.

Well, as long as the parents rang/emailed the school and informed them of the circumstances, we should presume none.

The document clearly says "where there is no contact from the parents".

So, if you received authorisation for a 10 day absence, and then informed the school that your child would be away for 15 school days, but would be returning to take up their place, then the school has no authority to remove your child from the register.

gaelic_girl

I have always informed the school on the occasions i took my children out within term time and i have never been fined, jailed or lost their place on a register. Its all down to common sense and negoiation with the relevant people it hasn't let me or my kids down so far