Help - Is this discrimation ?

BOB_A_H

honeypop wrote: »

My DH used to work at ASDA, and the handbook did state clean shaven or a full beard only, not that exact wording but along those lines. The man your son is comparing to has a full beard and he is allowed it, regardless of being a Muslim, that's irrelevant, it could be a Christian with a full beard, he is also allowed it, so would anyone with no religious beliefs whatsoever, because they are all allowed a full beard if they wish.

So what he had stubble when they interviewed him, not everything about your apprearance at interview can be kept 'on the job'. Some people keep their piercings in for an interview but have to remove them at work, some men have long hair in an interview but are asked to cut it short for the job (as at my DH's current job, for security reasons), most people interview in a suit but wouldn't necessarily be ok wearing it in ther every day job.

OP your repetitive point about the other man being allowed facial hair because he is a muslim is silly, as I said above any man would be allowed facial hair in the form of a full beard. Maybe they should have said something to your son earlier but maybe they have been asked to crack down on this sort of thing after some feedback about staff in general.



And once again, how do you get a full beard without having stubble at some point?

BOB_A_H

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Be a parent to your son and don't support him in his stupidity, much less encourage him in seeing this as a sign of discrimination!

Clean shaven, - great, proper beard - acceptable. Stubble - scruffy and unkempt, however much you may think of it as "designer stubble".



Oh for fack sake, do you personaly go from clean shaven to beard overnight?

BOB_A_H

Premier wrote: »

... but obviously not enough to bother making the effort to turn up clean & tidy. :cool:

I blame the parents.


His mother has quite clearly stated that he is clean.

The tidy part is surely a matter of oppinion.

BOB_A_H

joeblack066 wrote: »

This is really simple.
He wants his job, then he does as he's told. Thats life!

"does as he`s told" So if he is told to go and clean the toilets with his tongue, then he must do so or lose his job? No. As said already at best the company policy on this matter seems to be ambiguous.

He wants his designer stubble, he finds a job where they don't mind it.
We live in a society where some people think they're doing the employer a favour by turning up!
Some of the work I do requires me to be 'suited and booted' which can be uncomfortable in the heat but guess what? Thats what I do because thats what they want, and they pay my invoices!!
As Alexsander Orlov would say......"Simples"!!

To some extent they are. Where people have exceptional skills and knowledge, a company would not survive without them. Bit of a two way street
in my oppinion.

Zazen999

Bob A H

It's very hard to see your arguments when you aren't quoting properly.

dickydonkin

My DH used to work at ASDA, and the handbook did state clean shaven or a full beard only,

Well done Asda.

As I have alluded to on numerous occasions in my previous posts on this thread, such a policy that is quite clear and allows any manager to make an easy decision and also allows staff to understand the company requirements in respect of facial growth has to be commended.

To only state that staff should be "clean and tidy at all times" is open to misinterpretation and is certainly ambiguous and relies on a subjective judgement of the manager to ascertain what is 'clean and tidy'.

I would rather have someone serve me who has stubble and has good hygiene habits with clean hands and fingernails than a clean shaven assistant who has grubby nails, changes their undercrackers once a month, bathes infrequently and picks their noses and @r$e$ with monotonous regularity.

Zazen999

dpassmore wrote: »

I would rather have someone serve me stubble who has good hygiene habits with clean hands and fingernails than a clean shaven assistant who has grubby nails, changes their undercrackers once a month, bathes infrequently and picks their noses and @r$e$ with monotonous regularity.

Ever thought of taking up mystery shopping? If you work out that from one interaction then you are wasted in any other job.

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Personally, I think the old HR manager was letting things go and the new HR manager is trying to get the place ship shape.

Just because the last management had low standards, doesn't mean the new manager has to lower themselves. Or perhaps there had been complaints; so they are reacting to it.

Flouncing out crying 'discrimination' isn't going to help resolve the situation.

joeblack066

BOB_A_H wrote: »

joeblack066 wrote: »

This is really simple.
He wants his job, then he does as he's told. Thats life!

"does as he`s told" So if he is told to go and clean the toilets with his tongue, then he must do so or lose his job? No. As said already at best the company policy on this matter seems to be ambiguous.

He wants his designer stubble, he finds a job where they don't mind it.
We live in a society where some people think they're doing the employer a favour by turning up!
Some of the work I do requires me to be 'suited and booted' which can be uncomfortable in the heat but guess what? Thats what I do because thats what they want, and they pay my invoices!!
As Alexsander Orlov would say......"Simples"!!

To some extent they are. Where people have exceptional skills and knowledge, a company would not survive without them. Bit of a two way street
in my oppinion.

You are being riciculous. And I'm sure if a Mr D Beckham had worked where the OP's son worked, he too would be asked to shave. But he didn't. And doesn't.

If you can't use intelligent comparisons than don't bother.

mspoppins

I don't think this is discrimination. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure your son is a very nice young man but I personally think that shop personnel should be cleanly shaven. If he wants to keep his employment I think he will have to comply with their inner rules. Shaving is not the end of the world, it's just a little thing that makes him look even smarter. Call me an old conservative traditionalist

dickydonkin

Zazen999 wrote: »

Ever thought of taking up mystery shopping? If you work out that from one interaction then you are wasted in any other job.

___________
Personally, I think the old HR manager was letting things go and the new HR manager is trying to get the place ship shape.

Just because the last management had low standards, doesn't mean the new manager has to lower themselves. Or perhaps there had been complaints; so they are reacting to it.

Flouncing out crying 'discrimination' isn't going to help resolve the situation.

Ever thought of taking up mystery shopping?

The 'thought' has never nor will ever cross my mind.

Just because the last management had low standards

More assumptions - so you know the previous manager?