725,000 public sector jobs face axe, economist warns

marklv

The_White_Horse wrote: »

you are obviously an idiot. so you can't have necessary public services like nurses or police and not have walking co-ordinators and street scene managers?????

You are being deliberately facetious. Of course you can get rid of some (and I mean some) public sector roles, but the massacre which you gleefully advocate would hugely damage all services provided by public sector organisations.

ILW

lemonjelly wrote: »

So in my opinion a private firm which has a monopoly is not good, has poor customer service, gives poor results & you feel this is because of the public sector...?

Blimey. I'd be more concerned that such a badly run poor performing is alleged to be a shining example of the private sector...

If the contacts were written up and negotiated correctly, the company would have to produce the result. The problem is that they know that the customer (Public sector) has a virtually limitless pot of money and no true responsibilty on how it is spent.

marklv

Norfolk_Jim wrote: »

Not long ago you were calling all public sector workers scum and filth, now some are necessary - make your mind up.
Most people would I think agree with you about the exotic jobs you read about in the papers, and nearly all quangoes, which can surely go, along with all the political correctness and the wasters who enforce it all - but many public sector workers are doing a good job and we benefit from them - soldiers, nurses, many teachers, some social workers, police, firemen etc. You tar everyone with the same brush which makes you, not marklv look the idiot - even in the private sector you get hangers on and system milkers and people who are promoted to their level of incompetence.

Indeed. There is no huge difference between the private and public sectors - I've worked in both. The really important point is that every job needs to be tested for value-for-money and worthwhile returns to the taxpayer. This does not necessarily mean putting 1M people on the dole - that would be lunacy.

marklv

ILW wrote: »

If the contacts were written up and negotiated correctly, the company would have to produce the result. The problem is that they know that the customer (Public sector) has a virtually limitless pot of money and no true responsibilty on how it is spent.

Not true - the PAC monitors expenditure and you have bodies like the NAO and Audit Commission who perform checks and value for money exercises on public spending.

ILW

marklv wrote: »

Indeed. There is no huge difference between the private and public sectors - I've worked in both. The really important point is that every job needs to be tested for value-for-money and worthwhile returns to the taxpayer. This does not necessarily mean putting 1M people on the dole - that would be lunacy.

If it is found that 1M people are in jobs with no value, would it still be lunacy?

robin_banks

ILW wrote: »

Buty do you believe the NHS should be doing Tattoo removal, treating foreign nationals with no UK status, etc etc.

Tattoo removal - medical need - though tbh I cannot think of any instances where this would apply. I don't have a problem with the NHS performing such an operation as long as the individual pays and does not intefere with higher priority cases.

Foreign nationals - if they have proof of ID, and there are reciprecal arrangements why not ?, if you mean 'healthcare tourism' then I'm not comfortable with that, no.

It's about using the NHS responsibly, for instance I think people should be charged for missing appointments.

Norfolk_Jim

marklv wrote: »

Indeed. There is no huge difference between the private and public sectors - I've worked in both. The really important point is that every job needs to be tested for value-for-money and worthwhile returns to the taxpayer. This does not necessarily mean putting 1M people on the dole - that would be lunacy.

I agree. I spend a lot of my time working with disfunctional youth in vocational training. Many of them are heading for a life of crime, institutionalisation or dependency. After 2-3 years with us, some of them ( Not all sadly) are able to take jobs and become contributing members of society. I would think every success story saves the nation a fortune over the persons lifetime. In return I get 19000 and a pension that I probably wont live to collect. Odds are, I'll get made redundant in the next 5 years and end up working at B&Q advising people what paint they need for their bathroom and generating massive wealth for the nation in the process ????

ILW

marklv wrote: »

Not true - the PAC monitors expenditure and you have bodies like the NAO and Audit Commission who perform checks and value for money exercises on public spending.

And what happens when the Audit commision finds that a department has wasted a load of money on a project due to bad management. Absolutely nothing, as opposed to sacking the people in charge for incompetance.

Norfolk_Jim

ILW wrote: »

And what happens when the Audit commision finds that a department has wasted a load of money on a project due to bad management. Absolutely nothing, as opposed to sacking the people in charge for incompetance.

I thought the people in charge blame the people below and let them take the consequences while they get their faces back in the trough. After all, it was obviously the bank clerks who gave us the banking crisis wasn't it? But who is it getting the sack?

ILW

Norfolk_Jim wrote: »

I agree. I spend a lot of my time working with disfunctional youth in vocational training. Many of them are heading for a life of crime, institutionalisation or dependency. After 2-3 years with us, some of them ( Not all sadly) are able to take jobs and become contributing members of society. I would think every success story saves the nation a fortune over the persons lifetime. In rerurn I get 19000 and a pension that I probably wont live to collect. Odds are, I'll get made redundant in the next 5 years and end up working at B&Q advising people what paint they need for their bathroom and generating massive wealth for the nation in the process ????

You appear to be front line doing something of value, I would suspect that there are tiers of administrators and managers above you who have very little true value.